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Atlas Shrugged - early observations and a question

Posted on 8/4/21 at 6:25 am
Posted by CharlesLSU
Member since Jan 2007
32717 posts
Posted on 8/4/21 at 6:25 am
Well, I finally dove into this somewhat of a Moby Dick-level piece. I’m at the point where Anne has created her own Joker in Francisco. As Alfred said, “Some men just want to see the world burn.” At least that’s where I see it going…..for now.

Being a simpleton, I’m a bit fatigued at her over-the-top, cerebral descriptions of Dagny’s relationship with Francisco. I get it’s unconventionally deep and somewhat twisted, and I’m tired of reading some sentences 2-3 times to interpret her point. I’m obviously the knuckle-dragger.

I’ll plod along, but does it blossom into something worthwhile or does it perpetuate the same themes that the first 150pages lays out?
Posted by GulfCoastPoke
Port of Indecision
Member since Feb 2011
1099 posts
Posted on 8/4/21 at 10:54 am to
It took me a long time to read it. I think I even took a month + break the first time I read it. There are some sections where Rand goes into incredibly long and deep philosophical explanation or description of things. A few are boring and hard to get through through there are some that are incredibly rich and meaningful. The plot itself develops slowly and doesn’t begin to take shape until 1/3- 1/2 way through the book, but you can still sense the themes and where it is heading early on.

I’m biased it is my favorite book. It made me have a completely different attitude on personal responsibility, pride and capitalism. Stick with it!
Posted by Maytheporkbewithyou
Member since Aug 2016
13522 posts
Posted on 8/4/21 at 2:38 pm to
I never thought I would get through John Galt's radio speech. Was the worst part of the entire book for me.
Posted by CharlesLSU
Member since Jan 2007
32717 posts
Posted on 8/4/21 at 6:01 pm to
Not there yet but of course it about Who Is John Gault?
Posted by Jay Are
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2014
5482 posts
Posted on 8/4/21 at 7:17 pm to
quote:

I’ll plod along, but does it blossom into something worthwhile 


Quite frankly, no. But I believe Ayn Rand to be one of the worst writers of narrative I've ever encountered. Many disagree, somehow. It makes no sense to me.
Posted by AllbyMyRelf
Virginia
Member since Nov 2014
3726 posts
Posted on 8/5/21 at 12:55 pm to
Really the only reason to read Ayn Rand is to say that you have. It certainly isn’t for the writing, and there are better pieces on libertarian philosophy. It’s a huge time suck. If you don’t care to tell people you’ve read it, then I wouldn’t waste my time.
Posted by marcus3000
Member since Jan 2018
887 posts
Posted on 8/5/21 at 6:38 pm to
I read it in undergrad. It's long-winded garbage. Ayn Rand was a huge hypocrite.
Posted by RoyalWe
Prairieville, LA
Member since Mar 2018
3728 posts
Posted on 8/6/21 at 8:34 am to
quote:

Quite frankly, no. But I believe Ayn Rand to be one of the worst writers of narrative I've ever encountered. Many disagree, somehow. It makes no sense to me.
I agree with you. I've read pretty much all of her works, but the fiction is just bad. I never recommend Atlas Shrugged or The Fountainhead. My advice is to read her non-fiction Philosophy: Who Needs It and if that resonates then try the fiction but do not expect to be wowed by her story-telling.
Posted by RoyalWe
Prairieville, LA
Member since Mar 2018
3728 posts
Posted on 8/6/21 at 8:38 am to
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Ayn Rand was a huge hypocrite.
She was a hypocrite for sure, but I don't think that takes away from her work. I hate the fact that Social Security exists, personally, but since the system exists I plan on participating. It's fair to hold her to a higher standard.
Posted by AllbyMyRelf
Virginia
Member since Nov 2014
3726 posts
Posted on 8/6/21 at 9:50 am to
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It's fair to hold her to a higher standard.

She was forced to pay into it—are you saying that she shouldn’t have tried to get her contributions back? You can say, “you shouldn’t steal from me” and also accept the money back when it comes without being a hypocrite
Posted by zeebo
Hammond
Member since Jan 2008
5347 posts
Posted on 8/6/21 at 8:00 pm to
Book needed an editor!!
Posted by AllbyMyRelf
Virginia
Member since Nov 2014
3726 posts
Posted on 8/6/21 at 8:27 pm to
When told by her editor that it needed to be cut down, she replied, “would you abridge the Bible?”
Posted by RoyalWe
Prairieville, LA
Member since Mar 2018
3728 posts
Posted on 8/7/21 at 9:19 am to
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She was forced to pay into it—are you saying that she shouldn’t have tried to get her contributions back? You can say, “you shouldn’t steal from me” and also accept the money back when it comes without being a hypocrite
From what I've read, she and her husband Frank needed the assistance. Is she hypocritical for extolling the virtue of being self-reliant where you never need the charity of others only to accept it later in life because she did not achieve her ideal? Answer that and there you have it.

As I've said, I'm not a fan of Social Security but plan on fully participating because I was forced to pay into the system. Having said that, I also have lived my life in a way that I would never NEED to rely on receiving Social Security or Medicare. That was purposeful because I don't believe in it and don't trust our politicians. Whether or not you believe she is a hypocrite or not, it's poor optics for Ayn Rand to accept what she so loudly denounced.
Posted by DLSWVA
SW Virginia via Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2012
794 posts
Posted on 8/14/21 at 3:43 pm to
Someone had mentioned the first third of the book would be a struggle prior to my reading it. I can't remember the exact page number, but sure enough I got caught up in it about a third of the way through. Personally, I preferred The Fountainhead.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
37688 posts
Posted on 8/14/21 at 5:17 pm to
It's a really bad book. Every character is militant and cartoonish, and the philosophical elements are poorly drawn. Go actually read Moby Dick instead.
Posted by TrimTab
North County Coastal San Diego
Member since Mar 2019
7802 posts
Posted on 8/20/21 at 3:25 pm to
We The Living and The Fountainhead were better.
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