re: The True Differences Between Apple and Android and which may be better for you.

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Last time I had to install iTunes on a PC to set up my wife's old iPhone it was a 45 minute ordeal which included about 14 other apple apps i neither wanted yet had no choice.

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Thanks, CAD - my iTunes PTSD was just about gone...

Appreciate it...

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Considering that's only one aspect and not even one that's required not sure how that's the same thing.

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It's the same thing because you are basing your opinion of Android on a 4 year old version.

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Again, I've never stated it hasn't gotten better. But I have absolutely no reason to switch.

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That's fine, but just so you understand where Android people are coming from: having no reason to switch is much, much different than not being able to switch.

kork's made a very good point. here's what this thread boils down to

- iOS and android provide essentially the same features..almost identical to the point photos sync, contacts, cloud services, music, etc is a commodity now.

- its not android vs iOS; its 'hardware agnostic' vs 'apple hardware only'

kork is merely trying to point out google isn't requiring anyone to own a particular type of computer or phone to use their products. apple does.

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Jesus you guys are persistent.

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You are such a child.

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It's the same thing because you are basing your opinion of Android on a 4 year old version.

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Android is the entire operating system, iTunes is one program within an OS...so no.

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That's fine, but just so you understand where Android people are coming from: having no reason to switch is much, much different than not being able to switch.

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Ok....so again...why would I want to switch? I can change whenever I want to. When iOS starts going in a direction I don't like I'll gladly entertain other options. Until then, no I don't have a reason to switch.

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Once you're in the Apple ecosystem, they have you trapped - and it is by design.

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Trapped? Really? Not by a stretch.

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Trapped? Really? Not by a stretch.

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Oh? If you switch to an Android phone, you can't use iMessage anymore so that situation is totally fricked. You also can't use iTunes Match, so your music situation is also fricked until you can transfer everything to an OS-agnostic option. Your photo stream is also fricked. All of the Apple services are tied into your iPhone, so switching for you would be an unbelievable pain in the arse.

Me? I could switch to an iPhone tomorrow, install Hangouts, Google Music, and G+ and I'm ready to roll. I can also buy a PC, Mac, or (as I actually do) install Linux and use all of these services, as well. No headaches. There is nothing to coerce me to buy stuff from a particular company.

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If you switch to an Android phone, you can't use iMessage anymore so that situation is totally fricked.

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Well, I guess that's where I differ from an all-in Apple user. To me, iMessage is more of a perk than anything else, because I only use it on my phone. I'm on an old-school AT&T plan with 200 messages per month, and iMessage integrates with SMS seamlessly, so switching to Android would simply mean that more of my texts would count toward my monthly $5 200-message plan. For everything else, I'm pretty much all Google.

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iTunes Match

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Same, don't even use it. My music is all DRM-free files. I put them where I need them, so nothing would really change other than where I drag and drop them. Even then, I'd probably just continue to use Pandora 99% of the time.

I can see the point, though. If you go balls deep in Apple, pulling out would probably be a bitch. But just looking at mobile OS vs. mobile OS and ignoring every other device in the home, it really just doesn't seem to matter.

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'm on an old-school AT&T plan with 200 messages per month, and iMessage integrates with SMS seamlessly, so switching to Android would simply mean that more of my texts would count toward my monthly $5 200-message plan.

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No, he's talking about hangouts. My wife and I chat back and forth between her iphone and my android over wifi using hangouts. I can't get imessage on my android.

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I've switched from iOS to android twice in the last two years and I've never had this problem. I just turned iMessage off before I switched sims and I was good to go.

Not sure what the rest of the world is doing because it does seem to happen to people a lot :/

And yes, it's definitely something Apple needs to fix. Not sure how they would so this though.

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Not to be obnoxious (I'm coming from a place where I have had to deal with this problem for way too many users), but most people will never know if they are experiencing the problem or not. Further, it is really difficult sometimes to tell if you have the issue, even if you think you don't. That's one of the worst parts about it. You might have your spouse and close friends figured out, but your buddy in Memphis who contacts you only once in a blue moon may not be getting through. It is intentional, and it is bullshite.