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re: The True Differences Between Apple and Android and which may be better for you.
Posted on 7/6/14 at 3:42 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
Posted on 7/6/14 at 3:42 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
quote:open your eyes...I was just like you.. Fighting for what I knew.. A Crack opened for me to give Android a chance for a few weeks with option to return for iPhone again.. Took me a few hours of playing with my Android to know it was a great decision and I've never looked back... Be open minded.. It's not like most of us Android guys never had or played with iPhones before... You on the other hand have never owned a newer Android
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Posted on 7/6/14 at 3:59 pm to AdamDeMamp
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Dear God, Please make it stop
Posted on 7/6/14 at 4:56 pm to hikingfan
So when you can benefit the most from a custom keyboard, you have to use the system one? Hilarious. Maybe they will improve the current one to allow special characters on the main screen
Posted on 7/6/14 at 7:15 pm to HeadyMurphey
Don't build your breath
Posted on 7/6/14 at 9:47 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
Quality writing. 
"Hey we allowed for alternative keyboards but never really let them take off because we wanted to control everything, we deserve a cookie!"
I mean that's great and all, congrats to Apple for starting the custom keyboard trend... but the never letting it expand? Is that what they want to hear?
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Custom Keyboards pose a similar quandary: iPhone presented a virtual onscreen keyboard when it debuted in 2007 as one of its primary differentiating features. Additionally, among the first iOS App Store titles in 2008 was ShapeWriter, a non-traditional keyboard app that input text via gestures using technology developed at IBM and Linköping University, similar to Swype (both of which have since been acquired by Nuance, which has already announced support for Swype as a Custom Keyboard Extension for iOS 8).
"Hey we allowed for alternative keyboards but never really let them take off because we wanted to control everything, we deserve a cookie!"
I mean that's great and all, congrats to Apple for starting the custom keyboard trend... but the never letting it expand? Is that what they want to hear?
This post was edited on 7/6/14 at 9:48 pm
Posted on 7/6/14 at 10:03 pm to Freauxzen
Here's a better article written last year on the keyboard struggle, especially given the iOS8 news:
LINK
Oh wait...earlier in the article....
Security?
Kudos to them for listening to customers though instead of telling them what to do. Maybe Apple is getting better?
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Tuesday 9 July 2013 13.13 EDT
LINK
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Ahead of Apple's Worldwide Developers Conference (WWDC) in June, there was mounting expectation that the keynote announcements would include APIs which would let third-party apps become the defaults - or at least, that third-party keyboards would be enabled.
Come the speech itself, however, there was nothing of the sort - and nothing in the followup developer sessions, and no APIs exposed in the beta.
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The real point that we've heard here relates to wanting to protect the user's experience, which is what Tim Cook said in his D11 interview. This would seem to be framed around wanting to avoid confusion and inconsistency rather than the risk of malware. But given our success on Android we think the risk of confusion and inconsistency is a small concern versus the benefit of having a typing experience that's truly personalised and far less frustrating."
However, "little or no threat" is not quite the same as "no threat" - and it's that arbitrage Apple is keen to avoid.
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There are two ways of viewing Apple's position. You can think the malware/keylogging position is honestly held. Given that Steve Jobs was against the whole third-party apps thing in the first place (he wanted apps to just run as web apps), it's continuing its cautious approach to allowing outside companies onto the platform. Having taken years to begin infiltrating enterprises and begin to be trusted, to have a third-party keyboard blow apart a hard-won reputation for security would be disastrous.
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An alternative view is that Apple doesn't want the experience of using iOS to vary too much - that that might create confusion for its support people and those at mobile networks who have to deal with calls from people having trouble with their phones. (If you've ever done any sort of telephone support - even for a relative - you'll know how important it is to know precisely what software they're running. Even having a different keyboard can complicate things.)
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Even so, why isn't Apple allowing people to change the default app? The sources suggest that this really is a case where it's Apple's way or the highway. Apple thinks it does this stuff better than alternative offerings. If you disagree, you can always download another app (there are plenty of calendar and mail and browser apps for the iPhone) and just use those - or, indeed, try another phone. It might well sound arrogant - but Apple's approach has never been to try to capture the business of people who don't like how it does things. It's always been about pleasing those who do like how it does things. It's after that 95% who don't change the defaults.
For that reason, it's probably going to be a cold day in hell before it allows you to change the default iPhone keyboard - or the default apps. iOS 7 certainly looks different. But as far as opening it up to the outside world goes, Apple is definitely not thinking different. It's thinking just the same as it always has.
Oh wait...earlier in the article....
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Certainly over at iMore, which aims at Apple readers, a poll found that nearly 40% want third-party software keyboards on the iPhone, and that 26% said "options are good". That's two-thirds of respondents who definitely or probably would like a third-party keyboard. (If you want to turn it on its head, around 60% haven't expressed a definite desire for a third-party keyboard. But that would be hairsplitting.)
Security?
Kudos to them for listening to customers though instead of telling them what to do. Maybe Apple is getting better?
This post was edited on 7/6/14 at 10:13 pm
Posted on 7/7/14 at 10:10 am to Brettesaurus Rex
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Apple takes great care and measure to make sure they anything and everything they add to their ecosystem works flawlessly and does not deteriorate from the overall experience and connectedness of iOS. If you like that aspect of your OS, then Apple may be for you.
Apple's attempt at Maps says your statement is false.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 10:19 am to Brettesaurus Rex
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It's actually a pretty evenly keeled article
dude, youre actually a really smart guy, but when it comes to technology your loyalty to apple leaves you delusional
Posted on 7/7/14 at 10:19 am to jampat
I've seen some of the problems people have had but it's always been fine for me. I think that was way overstated regardless.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 10:26 am to rocket31
Ok maybe that specific statement isn't as accurate as I may thought after reading more closely
And obviously this thread hasn't gone as I planned.
The main point I wanted to get across was how I was just tired of the android folks saying how it's a travesty Apple doesn't have things like widgets and third party keyboards and whatnot when in reality, they were the first to even introduce the ideas. They might have taken longer to introduce them to their mobile platform, but I think it's because they want to make sure it works within their philosophy and that's something I value.
On the other hand, Android may have a bunch of different ways to customize the experience and that's great for people who want that, but it's not something I need. Just because I don't want to jailbreak my phone or switch over to android doesn't mean it's a child's plaything.
And obviously this thread hasn't gone as I planned.
The main point I wanted to get across was how I was just tired of the android folks saying how it's a travesty Apple doesn't have things like widgets and third party keyboards and whatnot when in reality, they were the first to even introduce the ideas. They might have taken longer to introduce them to their mobile platform, but I think it's because they want to make sure it works within their philosophy and that's something I value.
On the other hand, Android may have a bunch of different ways to customize the experience and that's great for people who want that, but it's not something I need. Just because I don't want to jailbreak my phone or switch over to android doesn't mean it's a child's plaything.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 10:32 am to Brettesaurus Rex
quote:The problem with this point is that, when someone else brings something to market first it's "Apple thought of it first", but when Apple is first to market someone else's idea it's "Apple brought it to market first". The real travesty is when one company brings lawyers into it to slow overall progress instead of everyone just competing to deliver the best products possible.
The main point I wanted to get across was how I was just tired of the android folks saying how it's a travesty Apple doesn't have things like widgets and third party keyboards and whatnot when in reality, they were the first to even introduce the ideas.
quote:Funny thing about technology, nobody knows what they need until they try it and realize they can't do without.
On the other hand, Android may have a bunch of different ways to customize the experience and that's great for people who want that, but it's not something I need.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 10:49 am to Korkstand
I hear you, I do. There very well could be benefits of switching, but I really enjoy the ecosystem entirely too much to give that up.
And I'm glad you are one of the few people who don't speak like a child on this board.
And I'm glad you are one of the few people who don't speak like a child on this board.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 11:37 am to Brettesaurus Rex
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There very well could be benefits of switching, but I really enjoy the ecosystem entirely too much to give that up.
spoken like someone who has never tried the other option.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 11:55 am to CAD703X
Spoken like someone who owned a Droid Incredible before my 4S and now 5S.
Dumbass
Dumbass
Posted on 7/7/14 at 11:59 am to Brettesaurus Rex
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There very well could be benefits of switching, but I really enjoy the ecosystem entirely too much to give that up.
android has better phones. Apple has better accessories and a better ecosystem, but google is rapidly gaining ground.
its really a manner of personal preference. I haven't switched b.c it would throw my wife in loops. She has enough issues getting her phone to work, I can't change her OS. And if I change mine, she will be unable to operate my phone which will annoy the shite out of me.
So i will use apple until such time that I hate it so much I have no choice to switch.
I supposed to get a Samsung tablet from work at some point, maybe this will encourage me to change.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 12:01 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
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Spoken like someone who owned a Droid Incredible
Eclair, Froyo, or Gingerbread?
Actually, it doesn't matter, even Gingerbread was pretty terrible compared to modern Android.
You might even like Kit Kat.
Posted on 7/7/14 at 12:16 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
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Spoken like someone who owned a Droid Incredible before my 4S and now 5S.
Interesting article. Not to mob you, but the above is like writing off Hyundai because you drove a 1995 Sonata. Android is a bit different than it was in 2010.
(so is iOS)Posted on 7/7/14 at 12:22 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
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Spoken like someone who owned a Droid Incredible before my 4S and now 5S.
ok smart guy. tell me what you get with the apple 'ecosystem' that is so compelling you can't switch?
purchased songs? apps? something cloud related?
i'm wondering what is so magical in apple's ecosystem that you can't get from google.
and the other person's comments were spot-on "i tried android 5 years ago and it was bad so i will never switch"
Posted on 7/7/14 at 12:34 pm to CAD703X
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"i tried android 5 years ago and it was bad so i will never switch"
Well, that's consumerism. People do that all the time or certain markets would be far thinner. The difference is that usually, consumers do this and acknowledge it as somewhat silly/psychological rather than try to argue about it or say inaccurate things. This post was edited on 7/7/14 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 7/7/14 at 12:37 pm to CAD703X
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tell me what you get with the apple 'ecosystem' that is so compelling you can't switch?
'Ecosystem' is the new, positive-sounding name for 'vendor lock-in'.
They don't call a cheese grater by its negative name, either: sponge-ruiner.
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