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re: I may be on crack, but my thoughts on the WR position....
Posted on 9/3/13 at 1:04 pm to clamdip
Posted on 9/3/13 at 1:04 pm to clamdip
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I've watched Beckham for 2+ years now and, while he is very good on special teams, he is below average as a WR with the ball in the air. He just doesn't have the It Factor for playing the ball in the air, adjusting, being aggressive, jockeying for position with the DB, catching at its highest point, etc. And in general he has average hands
Late last season I would have agreed with every word of this but I thought OBJ played an excellent game Sat. Hopefully he can use this as a confidence builder and we'll look back on TCU as his breakout game.
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I think Dural will start to be a major player in the passing game at the expense of Beckham. It certainly won't be at Landry's expense
As everyone gets more comfortable with Cam's system, I'm looking to see a lot of balls going to Desean Smith. It takes time for the chemistry between a QB and a true freshman to develop but an athletic TE with dependable hands could just be the cherry on top for this offense.
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Posted on 9/3/13 at 1:05 pm to clamdip
Landry is the best receiver no doubt! Worried about OBJ dropping balls myself!
Posted on 9/3/13 at 1:10 pm to Javzz
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It seems to me that you don't completely understand the definition of "optimal".
Actually, it seems you don't understand it considering I specifically said the first dropped pass was "wrapped up with a fricking bow." If you can't translate that to mean that it was in "optimal" position to be caught, you have real issues. It doesn't get any better (i.e. it is "optimal") than a pass dropping over your right shoulder into the bread basket of your arms.
I'm not saying that catch isn't harder than it looks, but he plays wideout at a major university. That catch needs to be made every time. Period. I'm sure he'll make adjustments as I have every confidence in the world OBJ is a hard working guy who seeks to improve his game, but that ball needs to be caught and it was in "optimal" position.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 1:11 pm to clamdip
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I've watched Beckham for 2+ years now and, while he is very good on special teams, he is below average as a WR with the ball in the air. He just doesn't have the It Factor for playing the ball in the air, adjusting, being aggressive, jockeying for position with the DB, catching at its highest point, etc. And in general he has average hands.
I have to disagree with you and point out that he shows flashes of being able to do all those things. I would say he has it, but doesn't always have it working.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 1:17 pm to EarthwormJim
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He's also the smoothest runner and best route runner on the team.
He is not the best route runner on the team. He struggled with that last year. You are just saying words that sound nice together.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 1:19 pm to clamdip
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Now, first off, Jarvis Landry is far and away the best WR LSU has, and he may in fact be the best player on the team right now. He is just that good. He is tenacious, fearless, aggressive with the ball in the air, has excellent hands and route-running ability.
But, right now after him there is a big dropoff, and yes that includes Odell Beckham.
I've watched Beckham for 2+ years now and, while he is very good on special teams, he is below average as a WR with the ball in the air. He just doesn't have the It Factor for playing the ball in the air, adjusting, being aggressive, jockeying for position with the DB, catching at its highest point, etc. And in general he has average hands.
With Travin Dural now healthy and coming on in the X position, I would not be surprised if he starts being the target of those long throws we saw Beckham get Saturday. The only ball Dural missed Saturday was the one where he was mauled in the end zone. Still need to see more of him, but if he is as good as his rep, I think Dural will start to be a major player in the passing game at the expense of Beckham. It certainly won't be at Landry's expense.
Flame away.....
I disagree.
Beckham runs great routes and very quick in space.
Additionally, while he has dropped some balls, I actually think he has some of the most natural hands on the team (only Landry is better.
Beckham is going to have a big year. And, the more we throw it, the better he is going to be.
His catch on the back shoulder throw should not be ignored and shows a guy who do some things that not everyone can.
The only way Dural starts to take Beckham's production is if Dural absolutely explodes and becomes a star. And, that would say more about Dural than it would about Beckham.
I do agree that Beckham may not be the best option when throwing over the top. But, he beat a couple of good CBs multiple times in that role on Saturday.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 1:20 pm to illuminatic
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He is not the best route runner on the team. He struggled with that last year. You are just saying words that sound nice together.
No, I'm not. Go watch the routes he ran this weekend. He's always been a great route runner, even coming out of high school. The guy knows how to get open.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 1:20 pm to harry coleman beast
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i'll stick by my statement that OBJ is a great compliment to Landry.
Oh I agree 100%. I love OBJ. I just think people tend to overrate him a little bit b/c of his big play ability (especially in the return game) while ignoring his critical drops. Had we be down 4 when he dropped that deep ball this board would have exploded
Posted on 9/3/13 at 1:27 pm to LoveThatMoney
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Actually, it seems you don't understand it considering I specifically said the first dropped pass was "wrapped up with a fricking bow." If you can't translate that to mean that it was in "optimal" position to be caught, you have real issues. It doesn't get any better (i.e. it is "optimal") than a pass dropping over your right shoulder into the bread basket of your arms.
I'm not saying that catch isn't harder than it looks, but he plays wideout at a major university. That catch needs to be made every time. Period. I'm sure he'll make adjustments as I have every confidence in the world OBJ is a hard working guy who seeks to improve his game, but that ball needs to be caught and it was in "optimal" position.
OBJ beat his man by 3-5 steps. Mett underthrew it, OBJ had to break stride and it allowed the DB to catch up. Should have been caught, yes. But deep ball accuracy and deep ball adjustments is something that needs to be worked on. Everyone doesn't need to rail on one guy about it.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 1:40 pm to Javzz
That deep ball he missed....dude got scared or something. Barely made an effort for it.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 1:50 pm to clamdip
quote:No way. Dural dropped that pass. Plain and simple.
With Travin Dural now healthy and coming on in the X position, I would not be surprised if he starts being the target of those long throws we saw Beckham get Saturday. The only ball Dural missed Saturday was the one where he was mauled in the end zone
Posted on 9/3/13 at 2:18 pm to Javzz
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Mett underthrew it, OBJ had to break stride and it allowed the DB to catch up
I disagree. Like someone else said that pass was dropped into the breadbasket with a bowtie on it. Sure it is hard for the average nonathlete person to run full speed and catch a long pass over the shoulder but he is a starting college WR. He should be able to do that 10 out of 10 times.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 2:55 pm to harry coleman beast
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Beckham had 5 catches for 118 yards
Not just this, but this also:
Beckham had 2 carries for 18 yards;
Beckham had 4 Kickoff Returns for 136 yards;
So, Beckham had 272 all-purpose yards and IMHO was the Player of the Game.
Most of you people are just "Glass 3/4 Empty" folks, and will never be satisfied.
Keep it up OBJ.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 3:08 pm to dboyback
Jr. is a good receiver but some times he simply drops the ball. Landry is much better. 
Posted on 9/3/13 at 3:15 pm to cajunjj
Dwayne Bowe and Brandon Lafell both had butter-fingers early in their LSU careers. Hopefully ODB can come around too. Its time.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 3:18 pm to EvrybodysAllAmerican
so ODBjr just needs lasik surgery?
This post was edited on 9/3/13 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 9/3/13 at 3:20 pm to clamdip
Possibly. But i think that was a mental thing with D-Bo more than vision. Didnt he wear contacts before the LASIK?
Posted on 9/3/13 at 3:50 pm to Cubssfan
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So, Beckham had 272 all-purpose yards and IMHO was the Player of the Game.
Most of you people are just "Glass 3/4 Empty" folks, and will never be satisfied.
OBJ probably was the player of the game for LSU. His ability to flip the field in returns alone was a monster contribution. He still needs to catch deep route passes.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 4:35 pm to LoveThatMoney
I'd like to see more consistency in catching the ball (as a whole) I'd like to see them get better separation
Posted on 9/3/13 at 4:37 pm to Cubssfan
With the game on the line, there is NO way that LSU can trust that OBJ will catch the pass or make a play. With Landry, you have complete certainity that he will catch the pass and make a BIG play. OBJ may have speed but without steady consistent hands, how valuable is it? Landry not only catches but also makes the BIG blocks. With the game on the line, Landry is the GO TO guy. Landry is the complete WR, while OBJ has some catching up to do.
This post was edited on 9/3/13 at 4:40 pm
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