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re: Confused and concerned about Miles
Posted on 9/11/09 at 4:36 pm to GA Tiger
Posted on 9/11/09 at 4:36 pm to GA Tiger
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I don't consider Georgia among the elite.
That's your prerogative. Most college football fans, sportscasters, coaches, cheerleaders and waterboys would disagree with you. When a program consistantly remains in the top 10-15 teams year-in and out both on the field and recruiting they're in the top 10 percentile of their sport and that's elite IMHO.
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Posted on 9/11/09 at 4:38 pm to Ray Ray Rodman
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His NC is with two losses even. We backed/lucked our way to that crystal football.
Yea, like the team that needed 2 other teams to win at 2am on the last day of the season to get into the national championship game. What team was that? Oh yea, nick the midget's LSU team in 2003.
Posted on 9/11/09 at 4:40 pm to The312
quote:whoa. your two points are in direct contradiction to each other. luck implies you didn't have to be good. however, you said lsu had the best body of work. either they had the best body or work, or they had luck. not both.
the luck involved doesn't in any way diminish the vailidity of the NC. We were the best team at the end of the season. We did have the best body of work.
what you are calling luck is nothing more than the way football plays out. you can call it luck, but it's really just football.
it could be said of any undefeated team that they got lucky breaks on their schedule such as clemson '81 or byu '84. what about the '91 orange bowl. had it not been for the clipping penalty, colorado would have lost. were they lucky?
Posted on 9/11/09 at 4:44 pm to TigerBait1127
quote:please, please, please stop reading posts by sfp. this point was beaten to death 3 years ago. it is no more true now than it was then
it was very stupid playcalling. playcalling lost the game more than the refs of JR did. What lost us the game was running the ball with 2 fatasses 23 times for 42 yards.
quote:you must have missed all the bad calls against lsu. check out refgate on youtube.
Is that balanced to you? We threw for 269 yards and ran for 42 yards. We ran ourselves out of the game by putting us in 3rd and longs all game. You really think run for 1.8 ypc 23x didn't lose the game for us? BTW, we basically ran for about 1 ypc the whole game.
Posted on 9/11/09 at 4:47 pm to The312
quote:ok, now you have to define how many games a coach must be present in order to consider his record among the elite. during his time at lsu, he's among the elite of the elite. i mean at the very pinnacle of college football. equal to (and in some cases better than) those considered to be geniuses
Whether or not Miles is such a coach remains legitimately in question
Posted on 9/11/09 at 4:48 pm to The312
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The reponse is inapposite. The incontrovertible fact of the matter is that LSU was extraordinarily lucky to have a rather pitiful Panther team beat a highly ranked UWV team in Morgantown in a game that was impacted by an injury to UWV's key player. That's sheer luck. That's what it is. Just admit it.
So what you're reasoning implies is that in fact, any team that wins the NC with any blemish on the record must be considered "lucky". For obviously that can only happen if other teams of equal esteem failed to go unblemished as well. Interesting. Nothing but a big crapshoot then unless you have a perfect record. Many believe you make your own luck. That luck is merely the happenstance of preparation meeting opportunity. When the landscape of college football was such that parity ran rampant in epidemic proportions, those that mattered concluded that LSU was indeed better prepared to meet their destiny, their opportunity, than 117 of their brethren. Fortuity is sometimes a pawn of destiny.
Posted on 9/11/09 at 4:49 pm to The312
quote:even if you prove that meyer is the best, that does nothing to diminish the greatness that miles has accomplished and his place among the elite
I don't know why people persist in comparing 08 LSu to 07 Florida. First of all, 07 Florida went 5-3 in the SEC, not 3-5 like 08 LSU. Second of all, their losses were in close games to ranked teams, not blowouts:
Posted on 9/11/09 at 4:58 pm to Sir Yin Yang
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And don't give me any shite about him not liking it in Tuscaloosa. If he didn't like it there, he would not have signed the recent contract extension.
He need not like Tuscaloosa to like the money $$.
Posted on 9/11/09 at 5:31 pm to ATR
TIGERBAIT1127, All I know is JR had a potential game winning drive and takes a sack when he had like 7 seconds to throw the damn ball away in one of the biggest mental mistakes for a single play I have ever witnessed.
That play alone cost us several shots at the endzone in that game in which we lose 7-3 as time expires on Auburn's 3 yardline.
Go ahead and blame the coaches all you want for handing off to the fat asses as you say only 20 times versus passing 35 times, my point is we had opportunities to win the game despite the play calling and refgate and our biggest leader and playmaker let us down big time.
That play alone cost us several shots at the endzone in that game in which we lose 7-3 as time expires on Auburn's 3 yardline.
Go ahead and blame the coaches all you want for handing off to the fat asses as you say only 20 times versus passing 35 times, my point is we had opportunities to win the game despite the play calling and refgate and our biggest leader and playmaker let us down big time.
This post was edited on 9/11/09 at 5:33 pm
Posted on 9/11/09 at 6:56 pm to bigbowe80
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Go ahead and blame the coaches all you want for handing off to the fat asses as you say only 20 times versus passing 35 times, my point is we had opportunities to win the game despite the play calling and refgate and our biggest leader and playmaker let us down big time.
and my point is that we would have never been put in that position if we didn't have a shitty, stubborn offensive gameplan. The coaches fricked up that game just like saban fricked up with the QB's in 2004. To deny that is just stupid.
If you honestly think us running for 1.8 YPC 20+ times is smart, you're a lost cause. The refs did frick us and i've said that 100x. Blaming the QB for trying to make a play at the end of the game instead of blaming the coaches for their shitty gameplan is just pathetic IMO. JR did not have a bad game, Miles did.
Posted on 9/11/09 at 6:56 pm to TigerBait1127
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you must have missed all the bad calls against lsu. check out refgate on youtube.
you're a very ignorant person
Posted on 9/11/09 at 7:07 pm to GA Tiger
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...I know that when we question Miles we have a tendency to pull out the records and prove that in spite of how ugly the wins looked or how lucky we may have been, hey, he wins. Bottom line. And, that's hard to argue with....
Yes it is and you should have stopped right there. imo
I don't give a flying flip "how ugly the wins looked" or how lucky some feel we might be. I care bout one thing...results and his results are in the Top 5 in his career at LSU.
You can see a problem with that if you so chose, but I don't!
We are one spoiled set of fans if we can't be happy a BCS Title, SEC Title, 4 bowl wins, and an average of 10 wins a year in his 4 yrs.
Posted on 9/11/09 at 7:25 pm to GA Tiger
take a look at the miles record in bowls-- he can coach and set up big wins-- his bowl success is outstanding and according to all th experts-- he has the recruiting-- he is a good coach and he wants to be with us-- saban and or meyer will be gone in a few years to something new
Posted on 9/11/09 at 7:28 pm to GA Tiger
I'm not reading this thread
Posted on 9/11/09 at 7:57 pm to kltiger
I'm still weeble-wobbling concerning Miles. Great record here from the start. But in 07, we were ranked #1 twice during the season and choked both times. In the last game of the season against Arkansas with a national championship staring us in the face (with an SEC championship win), we had no way to stop McFadden and the unranked (if I remember correctly) Razorbacks in our house. The defense in the latter part of that season under Miles/Pelini really started to fall off. 4th and 10 for Arkansas in OT, and we drop back for about 6 seconds until Casey Dick can find someone open and keep the game going. We were just fortunate that 2 other teams ranked in front of us lost, or Miles wouldn't have that championship. He didn't have the team focused enough going in to that game. -- Didn't care for him much at that point.
"Damn strong team" statement before SEC championship -- got me back on his side pretty damn strong.
08 season looked like everything fell apart. -- Started to question Miles again. What happened to "LSU doesn't rebuild, they reload"? We do reload every year with 4 and 5 star athletes across the board, so why wasn't the gun firing? Co defensive coordinators? Miles idea to promote Miles buddies. Rookie quarterback? Alabama has a rookie QB and rookie RB this year, don't they? If they go 10-2 or 11-1 this year, that'll be a little better than us last year at 3-5 in conference.
This year is a big year for Miles. No more of that "whose recruits" stuff. They're Miles. Jefferson has experience and Jarrett Lee has experience. Chavis has been doing his thing a long time and SHOULD know by now how he can make this defense stellar quickly. I hope 3rd and Chavis doesn't prove to be the case all year.
With all this said, I AM NOT A NEGATIGER. I love LSU and I'm just concerned after the game against Washington. I think Miles is a classy guy, and I think he loves LSU. I know it's just the first game, but I think we all are ready to see a ferocious defense, a very capable offense, and a team that will vie for a championship again.
"Damn strong team" statement before SEC championship -- got me back on his side pretty damn strong.
08 season looked like everything fell apart. -- Started to question Miles again. What happened to "LSU doesn't rebuild, they reload"? We do reload every year with 4 and 5 star athletes across the board, so why wasn't the gun firing? Co defensive coordinators? Miles idea to promote Miles buddies. Rookie quarterback? Alabama has a rookie QB and rookie RB this year, don't they? If they go 10-2 or 11-1 this year, that'll be a little better than us last year at 3-5 in conference.
This year is a big year for Miles. No more of that "whose recruits" stuff. They're Miles. Jefferson has experience and Jarrett Lee has experience. Chavis has been doing his thing a long time and SHOULD know by now how he can make this defense stellar quickly. I hope 3rd and Chavis doesn't prove to be the case all year.
With all this said, I AM NOT A NEGATIGER. I love LSU and I'm just concerned after the game against Washington. I think Miles is a classy guy, and I think he loves LSU. I know it's just the first game, but I think we all are ready to see a ferocious defense, a very capable offense, and a team that will vie for a championship again.
Posted on 9/11/09 at 7:58 pm to TigerBait1127
quote:wow. we're really, actually discussing this again and there is STILL someone who doesn't get it. are you aware that we not only threw more than we ran, we also threw more on first down than we ran. if you look at the stats, it was a balanced game plan which is what pretty much every coordinator in the game is looking for.
and my point is that we would have never been put in that position if we didn't have a shitty, stubborn offensive gameplan.
quote:to deny the facts isn't too bright pal
To deny that is just stupid
quote:23 rush, 37 pass. what do you want? let me guess, 100% pass. who's a lost cause?
If you honestly think us running for 1.8 YPC 20+ times is smart, you're a lost cause.
quote:jr messed up and lost the potential to win the game with a bonehead play. admit it.
Blaming the QB for trying to make a play at the end of the game instead of blaming the coaches for their shitty gameplan is just pathetic IMO
Posted on 9/11/09 at 7:59 pm to TigerBait1127
quote:i pointed you to video evidence and you're calling me ignorant. interesting
you're a very ignorant person
i'm talking about factual stats. you're name calling
Posted on 9/11/09 at 8:03 pm to TigerTicker
quote:there has been much speculation that the reason why things happened the way they did was timing. miles couldn't get a deal done with some coordinators he wanted so ended up promoting from within as a fallback. i don't know if that's true, but the way everything happened, it makes sense. in '08, he made the best with what he had. then when he had the chance, he landed a highly respected coach like he's done other times. i just don't get why he doesn't get any respect for that.
Miles idea to promote Miles buddies.
Posted on 9/11/09 at 8:06 pm to bfniii
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i pointed you to video evidence and you're calling me ignorant. interesting
i'm calling you ignorant because i've called out the refs about 1,000 times from that game but you still told me to go watch refgate.
and why run the ball if you're only getting 1 yard a carry. And the only reason we threw way more is because of the 4th quarter. I'm out for tonight, but that was a terrible offensive gameplan. 23 carries averaging 1.8 ypc is not smart. We put ourselves into a lot of unnecessary 3rd and longs when they couldn't stop KR
Posted on 9/11/09 at 8:07 pm to Bandits
Correction:
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If Miles is ever contacted by Michigan
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