re: Confused and concerned about Miles

give this crap up and support our team. WE PLAY A FOOTBALL GAME TOMORROW!!!do everyone a favor and go hide in a hole until the season is over and let us real tiger fans support our coach and team see, i support my tigers

Rookdog, your obviously a big Saben fan and you miss your old coach, that's fine but it's so old how you keep harping on 2006 being the best team in the history of football and how dare we get 2 losses that year!

If you member the Auburn loss, Refgate had alot to do with that, not to mention Jamarcus making some horrible decisions. despite the fans kneejerk reaction after the game, play calling wasn't what lost that game if you go back and actually look at the runs and pass selection it was very balenced.

The Florida game we lost in gainesville that year, we had what 5 turnovers including 2 or 3 that ended great drives (including one on the half yard line which changes the whole complection of the game witout a doubt) and several calls go against us by the refs.

Seems to me like the players have something to do with game too and there is only so much a coach can do besides put the best players on the field and hope they don't screw up.

Funny how you blame losses all on Miles and his "horrible coaching" but the games he wins, it was superior talent and he couldn't help himself but win. Which one is it?

I think like alot of the guys on here are saying, you can't just look at a roster or team and say because they have this many first round draft pics they should have been undefeated and won the national championship without question and if the coach of that particular team losses even one or two games he's basically a horrible coach. It also takes luck, calls going your way, no injuries to key players, and other things that could go wrong.

If this were the case then I guess Pete Carrol is a horrible coach because he's had the best team on paper for like what 8 years in a row and somehow he's only won 1 1/2 championships and somehow manages to lose a game or 2 to teams worse than him every year. According to your standards he should have been fired years ago.

You are right let's all kill ourselves you first

this is a depressing thread, maybe we should see waht happens this season, then give our (expert) opinions, im gonna go read some encouraging news about our tigers

Am I crazy, or is 8+ wins consistently in a major BCS conference borderline elite? Not many teams maintain a record like that under one coach, even if only for 4 years.

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The fact that LSU played for an NC with two losses indicates to me that they benefited from more luck than the average NC team.

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DUH! There is almost always some form of luck involved in football. Bounces, deciding to cut left instead of right, etc. Pittsburgh doesn't make it to the Super Bowl if Franco doesn't make that catch ....unless you think they planned that.
In 03 and 07 we benefited from our SOS. We were a damn good team both of those years. For you to discount that is totally ignorant.

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We just need an excellent coach. There are many.

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We HAVE an excellent coach. IDIOT!

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Second of all, when I say "excellent," I mean elite or exceptional. Whether or not Miles is such a coach remains legitimately in question. He went 3-5 in the SEC last season, including 1-3 in the SEC at home. That's not an exceptional record.

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How did Florida do in 2007 the year after they won the national championship? Kind of reminds me of how we did last year. Is Urban Meyer not an elite football coach?

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It's interesting how other posters have responded to the indisputable point about the luck of the 2007 squad. They reflexively compare 2007 to 2003 (or other seasons).

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First, no one is disputing luck; we are acknowledging it. You want to argue degree of luck which is not measurable. In 2007, the SEC was a monster; one of the few years that the conference lived up to the fans usually inflated opinion of it. Yes, it's quite lucky to be the best 2 loss team, but it was bad luck to have that SEC gaunlet. Because you want to state that Saban is only good and Miles is only lucky, it's important to point out that all of Saban's accomplishments came during somewhat down years in the SEC. Isn't that a huge slice of luck? In 2001 he got to the SEC CG with 3 losses. In 2003, there really wasn't another monster in the SEC as GA wasn't quite there. In 2008 he goes undefeated in the regular season by avoiding FL and every other decent team on the sched (other than OM which was just coming into its own) had a down year. The next couple of years beyond this one, there will be a couple of monsters in the SEC he will have to contend with. If he doesn't do it this year (any thing could happen in a one game scenario with FL like in 2001), it may be a while before his next championship.

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Second of all, when I say "excellent," I mean elite or exceptional.

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By who's standard? Yours?
"Experts" (football writers, and other sports journalists) consider Les in the top 10 in the nation. Elite and exceptional are different. Elite is rare air, top 3-5. Exceptional is a broader base. I have talked to Terry Bowden, and to Charles Davis (the guy who did color for our BSCNC game) and they both consider Les to be exceptional. A former coach and broadcaster, and a former player and broadcaster (covered the Big 12 when Les was at OSU) have more credibility than you in my book.