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re: Switching to vegetarian diet
Posted on 1/11/17 at 2:06 pm to Junky
Posted on 1/11/17 at 2:06 pm to Junky
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Conclusion The low dietary intake of protein and sulfur amino acids by a plant-eating population leads to subclinical protein malnutrition, explaining the origin of hyperhomocysteinemia and the increased vulnerability of these vegetarian subjects to cardiovascular diseases.
What a bunch of horseshite. Yeah there are a ton of unhealthy vegetarians and vegans. They're called junk food vegetarians / junk food vegans. Just because an extremely healthy diet happens to be vegan does not mean that a vegan diet is necessarily healthy. fricking Oreos are considered vegan. There is no correlation between vegan and protein deficiency, unless you have a caloric deficiency.
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Posted on 1/11/17 at 7:50 pm to Casty McBoozer
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What a bunch of horseshite. Yeah there are a ton of unhealthy vegetarians and vegans. They're called junk food vegetarians / junk food vegans. Just because an extremely healthy diet happens to be vegan does not mean that a vegan diet is necessarily healthy. fricking Oreos are considered vegan. There is no correlation between vegan and protein deficiency, unless you have a caloric deficiency.
Because oreos are such a problem in the
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Sahel region of Chad
It takes way more vegetable intake to reach the RDA than meat. You cannot have a caloric deficit and not hit your protein RDA on veggies without supplementation, with fatty meat it is quite easy, and be easily satiated. Not that I believe all calories are the same to begin with.
I see you are "near vegan" from reading your older posts.
.....
Explain what "near vegan" is because eating a small amount of meat regularly is FAR from vegan and vegetarian. Closer to pescetarian.
I want you to look at the human digestive system and tell me how I am suppose to digest cellulose fiber and convert that into short chain fatty acids like a cow.
Herbivore
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“Herbivory is a form of consumption in which an organism principally eats autotrophs[6] such as plants, algae and photosynthesizing bacteria. More generally, organisms that feed on autotrophs in general are known as primary consumers. Herbivory usually refers to animals eating plants; fungi, bacteria and protists that feed on living plants are usually termed plant pathogens (plant diseases), and microbes that feed on dead plants are saprotrophs.”
Ruminant
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“are mammals that are able to acquire nutrients from plant-based food by fermenting it in a specialized stomach prior to digestion, principally through microbial actions” They consist of Ruminating mammals include cattle, goats, sheep, giraffes, yaks, deer, antelope, and some macropods.”
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"Monogastric herbivores include “such as rhinoceroses, horses, and rabbits, are not ruminants, as they have a simple single-chambered stomach. These hindgut fermenters digest cellulose in an enlarged cecum through the reingestion of the cecotrope.”
Cecum
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“In herbivores, the cecum stores food material where bacteria are able to break down the cellulose. This function no longer occurs in the human cecum (see appendix), so in humans it is simply a dead-end pouch forming a part of the large intestine.”
Posted on 1/12/17 at 9:29 am to Junky
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The earliest anatomically modern humans got most of their protein from animals of terrestrial origin."
"most" is the word
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we know that early humans have an even more carnivorous stable isotope footprint, it seems unlikely that these humans would have consumed many calories from non-animal sources."
"many" another key word
I am not debating that a high meat diet is "unhealthy", I just feel like a highly restrictive diet of any of the main whole foods is not nearly as healthy as an inclusive one.
Veggies
Fruits
Meat
Why restrict any? A more complete diet is what I would recommend
Posted on 1/12/17 at 9:30 am to lsu777
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whole30 diet i recommended
This is more of what I am on board with.
A non processed whole food diet that includes fruits, veggies, and meat
Posted on 1/12/17 at 9:39 am to genuineLSUtiger
I'm probably never going to be 100% switched over, but I can at least tell you that half of what I eat is either vegan or vegetarian, and I have felt better in these last few years. Red meat is pretty infrequent for me...maybe twice a month.
For specific stuff to eat, Gardein makes several good things, and Dr. Praeger's "California" flavor veggie burger is the bomb. I have that once a week with a lettuce bun, and two of those make for a very quick and easy dinner.
For specific stuff to eat, Gardein makes several good things, and Dr. Praeger's "California" flavor veggie burger is the bomb. I have that once a week with a lettuce bun, and two of those make for a very quick and easy dinner.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 10:24 am to BrockLanders
yea Im sure all the processed chemicals in those pre packaged items are just perfect for your health.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 11:53 am to lsu777
You're right that some of the processed stuff isn't good for you. But there are brands that don't have anything bad in them
Dr Praegers, as someone mentioned a post above you, ingredients:
Recently I've tried the Beyond Burger, made from pea protein (its soy, gluten and gmo free). One of my previous threads talks about how Tyson just bought into this company... check it out
With vegan cheese
Pretty damn good. Reminds me of a mcdonalds quarter pounder
That's not to be confused with me saying McDonald's burgers are good.... but you miss that "grill" taste after 5 years without it
eta an extra picture I forgot
Dr Praegers, as someone mentioned a post above you, ingredients:
quote:sorry, pasted from their website and didn't want to retype.
INGREDIENTS CARROTS, ONIONS, STRING BEANS, OAT BRAN, SOYBEANS, ZUCCHINI, EXPELLER PRESSED CANOLA OIL, PEAS, BROCCOLI, CORN, SOY FLOUR, SPINACH, RED PEPPERS, ARROWROOT POWDER, CORN STARCH, GARLIC, CORN MEAL, SEA SALT, PARSLEY, BLACK PEPPER
Recently I've tried the Beyond Burger, made from pea protein (its soy, gluten and gmo free). One of my previous threads talks about how Tyson just bought into this company... check it out
With vegan cheese
Pretty damn good. Reminds me of a mcdonalds quarter pounder
That's not to be confused with me saying McDonald's burgers are good.... but you miss that "grill" taste after 5 years without it eta an extra picture I forgot
This post was edited on 1/12/17 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:00 pm to emboslice
two of the top three ingredients are processed oil, but yea it's vegan so it must be good for you right? And yea pea protein is just the epitome of health. No offense but both of the things you just posted are far from healthy but whatever helps you sleep better at night. And thanks for confirming my initial conclusion that most that want to go or do go vegetarian or vegan don't know the first thing about nutrition.
Just to help you out, if it comes from a box or a can it's shite. Period with very very few exceptions. Sorry if I'm the a-hole that has to break this to y'all. You would be much much better off learning to eat like your ancestors, fast and then feast on meats and veggies. But y'all have fun with your crap from a box.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:15 pm to lsu777
I was giving you an example of ingredients. And I stated in my initial post here, they are not the most healthy for you. Do whatever you want with your food and body, I don't care. People post about fast food all day and no one gets their nipples in a twist about it.... BUT POST A VEGGIE BURGER and prepare for the incoming of "nutrition experts"
I never once said "vegan so it must be good for you". Another assumption about the way I believe. You would've found issue with whatever ingredient I posted. Once again, as stated before, I can go back and forth with y'all posting links and finding things to justify my eating habits just as much as you can... all day, and round and round we go. This thread is about suggestions for the OP. We know you wouldn't be caught dead with a veggie burger in your hand... relax
Im not offended at all by you or anyone's opinions. I post for people who are open minded and are curious about the vegetarian foods and such. Sorry you needed confirmation from a random person on the internet to prove that vegs don't know anything about nutrition.... shows me you like to make blanket statements and don't know very many vegetarians or vegans. I know some with nutrition info and some without... but I can say that for everyone I meet... meat and vegetable eaters alike
Once again, not trying to debate.
I never once said "vegan so it must be good for you". Another assumption about the way I believe. You would've found issue with whatever ingredient I posted. Once again, as stated before, I can go back and forth with y'all posting links and finding things to justify my eating habits just as much as you can... all day, and round and round we go. This thread is about suggestions for the OP. We know you wouldn't be caught dead with a veggie burger in your hand... relax
Im not offended at all by you or anyone's opinions. I post for people who are open minded and are curious about the vegetarian foods and such. Sorry you needed confirmation from a random person on the internet to prove that vegs don't know anything about nutrition.... shows me you like to make blanket statements and don't know very many vegetarians or vegans. I know some with nutrition info and some without... but I can say that for everyone I meet... meat and vegetable eaters alike
Once again, not trying to debate.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:26 pm to emboslice
You go, gurl!!
Posted on 1/12/17 at 12:31 pm to OTIS2
Otis, I know you would have dinner with me if I was cooking veggie burgers cuz you ain't no prick
Posted on 1/12/17 at 1:41 pm to lsu777
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yea Im sure all the processed chemicals in those pre packaged items are just perfect for your health.
Sorry, man, this isn't "Fake Veggie Burger News".
Posted on 1/12/17 at 2:36 pm to emboslice
I'm not a prick either, just not gullible enough to believe a vegetarian lifestyle is "healthy" despite all the evidence to the contrary and centuries of us as humans eating meat.
And I wasn't trying to pick on. Sorry if it came out that away. I started in this thread because the op said he wanted health benifits, I simply wanted to know what health benifits because the research doesn't bear out any justifiable health benifits.
You posted about certain prepackaged items being healthy, I said they weren't healthy and you posted the ingredients trying to prove me wrong. I was simply stating despite what you might have thought many of those ingredients were far from healthy and you would be much better off eating a burger made from real grass fed beef.
It's ok the be vegetarian or vegan, just don't claim it's for health benefits because it's not. I applaud you for choosing the lifestyle if that's the way you want to live.
And I wasn't trying to pick on. Sorry if it came out that away. I started in this thread because the op said he wanted health benifits, I simply wanted to know what health benifits because the research doesn't bear out any justifiable health benifits.
You posted about certain prepackaged items being healthy, I said they weren't healthy and you posted the ingredients trying to prove me wrong. I was simply stating despite what you might have thought many of those ingredients were far from healthy and you would be much better off eating a burger made from real grass fed beef.
It's ok the be vegetarian or vegan, just don't claim it's for health benefits because it's not. I applaud you for choosing the lifestyle if that's the way you want to live.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 3:20 pm to lsu777
quote:my point was that all veggie friendly items are not made alike... the two I posted are great examples of two different ingredient lists.... which is why I posted them. Dr Praegers is mostly veggies
You posted about certain prepackaged items being healthy, I said they weren't healthy and you posted the ingredients trying to prove me wrong. I was simply stating despite what you might have thought many of those ingredients were far from healthy and you would be much better off eating a burger made from real grass fed beef.
Many switch to a veg diet for health reasons and are very successful with it. You are a fool to deny that
But it is the way I like to live and that works for me
Posted on 1/12/17 at 3:25 pm to tke_swamprat
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The issue with store bought meat is that it's "processed."
Very simple solution. Start hunting or eat roadkill. I would eat run over possums over going vegan or vegetarian. I will just never understand it. To not eat meat is so out of touch with what humanity has done for it's entire existence.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 4:06 pm to dnm3305
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To not eat meat is so out of touch with what humanity has done for it's entire existence.
But it was a very small percentage of their diet....less than 5% based on many studies. The major part of early man's diet was plant based. The evidence even points to them processing Oats for a grain based meal. Though the Paleo propaganda machine has worked hard to convince people otherwise. In addition, early man's diet was determined by what part of the world they lived in.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 4:51 pm to Zappas Stache
Yep! Meat was more of a delicacy bc it took days and weeks to sometimes kill an animal.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 9:19 pm to Zappas Stache
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But it was a very small percentage of their diet....less than 5% based on many studies
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The major part of early man's diet was plant based.
Yes, because when I'm lost in the woods, the last thing I am doing is trying my luck at gathering leaves to eat....very filling.
Without the extra fatty acids from meat, our brains wouldn't have grown to the size they are now. Besides Persistence Hunting is the new theory on how early man got their meat. They literally ran their prey to exhaustion. You see, humans have one key up over the animal kingdom, we can sweat, and therefor, expel excess heat. A dog pants because they cannot get rid of the heat any other way. The same as an antelope, horse, deer, you just have to keep it up. The reason the ancient Greeks used runners in some instances instead of horses is because if their aren't horses staged in points every couple of miles, a horse could become slower than an experienced human running over a longer distance...probably why the victory of the Battle of Marathon used a runner.
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The evidence even points to them processing Oats for a grain based meal
Oh, please tell me how they did this before forming cities. Even the Native Americans didn't do this, and I'd say they are an excellent example on how "hunter/gather" people lived before that. They didn't pack oats, they packed pemmican.
I think you are grasping at theology. There is no evidence, anatomy, or otherwise, that proves early human ate oats, grains, grass, nor leaves.
And no one wants to answer my questions on anatomy...
This post was edited on 1/12/17 at 9:25 pm
Posted on 1/12/17 at 9:25 pm to tke_swamprat
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Yep! Meat was more of a delicacy bc it took days and weeks to sometimes kill an animal.
And yet, humans can safely fast for days while tracking prey. It seems that fasting is some built-in hardware to helped them obtain caloric-dense food.
Humans burn fat first for energy. It is the preferred fuel. In a fasted state, humans preserved lean muscle tissue over fat until fat stores are gone. It is much more energy expensive to burn muscle than fat.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 9:35 pm to emboslice
So why, if you are vegan/vegetarian, are you eating things that "replicate" meat? I see you post on the WFDT. You eat veggie meatball subs, veggie burger (Gardein more than Beyond Meat), veggie dogs, vegan cheese.
I don't feel the need to every imitate my food. Socially, or otherwise.
Also, don't avoid anatomy....
I don't feel the need to every imitate my food. Socially, or otherwise. Also, don't avoid anatomy....
This post was edited on 1/12/17 at 9:49 pm
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