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Posted on 1/16/17 at 2:53 pm to emboslice
No not like a child. If I told you to drive from a ton rouge to Nola would you think it was smarter to take I-10 or go i12 then causeway? I tend to look at everything in life this away. What's the most efficient path to achieve our goals? It sure as hell isnt cutting out our most efficient way to ingest our most efficient macro.
Now if eating this wakes makes you happy or you have problems with the way animals are slaughtered the by all means eat that away. But don't do it and claim it's for health.
Now if eating this wakes makes you happy or you have problems with the way animals are slaughtered the by all means eat that away. But don't do it and claim it's for health.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 3:26 pm to lsu777
I understand your explanation, but the way you worded it was childlike. It is not stupid, it is the way that many choose to live their life and are successful at not going to the hospital because of being protein deficient. I could very easily say eating 150g protein a day via meat is stupid... but I won't... bc I'm not a child and I know a grown person such as yourself can pick whatever he wants to eat and I'm certain you're doing what's best for you, as am I.
Do note that I didn't take your comment personally in anyway, just responding. My personal decision has almost everything to do with the way the animals are killed - so the most efficient way for me to live is to kill my own food (which I will not do nor need to) or be vegetarian. And by all means I am NOT trying to get into the moral debate with anyone.
The fact of the matter is...you can get sufficient protein from veg sources, which you've agreed to for many pages now.
I'm just picking at junky because he keeps ignoring my question
still waiting on him
I'm mostly amused that yall have been screaming meat this whole time and I wouldn't ever go into a steak thread screaming veggies.
Do note that I didn't take your comment personally in anyway, just responding. My personal decision has almost everything to do with the way the animals are killed - so the most efficient way for me to live is to kill my own food (which I will not do nor need to) or be vegetarian. And by all means I am NOT trying to get into the moral debate with anyone.
The fact of the matter is...you can get sufficient protein from veg sources, which you've agreed to for many pages now.
I'm just picking at junky because he keeps ignoring my question
still waiting on him I'm mostly amused that yall have been screaming meat this whole time and I wouldn't ever go into a steak thread screaming veggies.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 5:47 pm to emboslice
Not disagreeing with you on the way animals in this country are slaughtered or how terrible the way they are raised is.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 8:46 am to emboslice
Bump for Junky.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 10:53 pm to mouton
Excuse me for being indisposed
Tell me how you break down cellulose, the wall of plant cells. Indigestible to human consumption. LINK
So back on point on why you shouldn't be a vegan. Add the difficulty in sourcing all the amino acids, supplementing for B12 B12 v2, D3, which you do have trouble with and must supplement. Or worry about osteoporosis, and O3 to O6 ratios that I've linked before
LINK
Like lsu777 said, I'm the only one doing work defending my statements. You seem to be quite good on just blindly attacking with no proof to back it up. I'm done with this thread because no one has even attempted to answer my questions, likely because you have no answers.
Tell me how you break down cellulose, the wall of plant cells. Indigestible to human consumption. LINK
quote:LINK Nobody ever refutes that, nor talked about it. Whereas herbivore have total digestion of cellulose (still not acknowledging or avoiding this fact all together). Animal cells have a membrane which is fully digestible to humans allowing for full digestion of everything. Now, the digestion of animal cells may vary person to person, but the comparison between the different cell structures still remain true. It takes way more plants to try and reach the rda than meat already provides and can easily be digested, why hinder your health so much? I am talking about plant food, not powders nor supplements. Not every vegan even attempts to achieve that amino acid profile because they lack the knowledge.
Within the cell wall, cellulose microfibrils are embedded in a matrix consisting of proteins and two other types of polysaccharides: hemicelluloses and pectins (Figure 12.47).
So back on point on why you shouldn't be a vegan. Add the difficulty in sourcing all the amino acids, supplementing for B12 B12 v2, D3, which you do have trouble with and must supplement. Or worry about osteoporosis, and O3 to O6 ratios that I've linked before
LINK
quote:
Conclusion: Consumption of a meat-containing diet contributed to greater gains in fat-free mass and skeletal muscle mass with RT in older men than did an LOV diet.
Like lsu777 said, I'm the only one doing work defending my statements. You seem to be quite good on just blindly attacking with no proof to back it up. I'm done with this thread because no one has even attempted to answer my questions, likely because you have no answers.
This post was edited on 1/17/17 at 11:14 pm
Posted on 1/17/17 at 11:29 pm to emboslice
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So you're saying you can't get required protein from a vegetarian diet? Yes or no?
My response was in detail towards vegan diets with pure plant food not including powders nor supplements. You can with a vegetarian diet, though the heath reasons I listed above are huge causes for concern, especially vitamins B12 and D3, because you must supplement them. How natural is that?
I did mention vegetarian and vegans once. That comment was context of overall health...but you were all too excited to try and show me, weren't you? ...when you were comparing apples while I was talking about oranges.
This post was edited on 1/17/17 at 11:31 pm
Posted on 1/18/17 at 2:20 am to genuineLSUtiger
Just wanted to chime in and say I just finished day 17 without meat.
It's tough, because most of my favorite foods were meat. Going to a deli and not being able to order an Italian sub is something I forget until I'm almost at the counter
There are so many alternatives available, though, that I think my cravings will be less as I learn new tricks.
It's tough, because most of my favorite foods were meat. Going to a deli and not being able to order an Italian sub is something I forget until I'm almost at the counter
There are so many alternatives available, though, that I think my cravings will be less as I learn new tricks.
Posted on 1/18/17 at 9:25 am to Junky
B12 and d3 on a vegetarian diet? What about eggs and dairy?
So are you trying to say you can not digest any of the nutrients contained in plants because of the cellulose. No vitamins or minerals? So eating vegetables is basically useless?
If you can not absorb sufficient protein from plant sources why do vegan athletes and bodybuilders not experience sever muscle wasting?
So are you trying to say you can not digest any of the nutrients contained in plants because of the cellulose. No vitamins or minerals? So eating vegetables is basically useless?
If you can not absorb sufficient protein from plant sources why do vegan athletes and bodybuilders not experience sever muscle wasting?
Posted on 1/18/17 at 9:51 am to mouton
Oh my God. This thread. 
Posted on 1/18/17 at 9:54 am to Mo Jeaux
What are your thoughts on the subject Mo JEaux?
Posted on 1/18/17 at 10:20 am to Junky
quote:wonderful, thanks for playing
You can with a vegetarian diet,
Posted on 1/18/17 at 11:01 am to mouton
on a vegan diet, you can't have eggs and milk.
And to be clear, I was speaking of using powders, eggs and fish to get full protein requirements.
Junky is speaking more from strictly plants and veggies to get enough protein and he is correct that you can not get even close to enough protein without some type of supplementation or using any diary, eggs or animal products at all.
The bodybuilders I speak of supplement their diets with these items because you aren't getting enough protein from rice and beans.
And to be clear, I was speaking of using powders, eggs and fish to get full protein requirements.
Junky is speaking more from strictly plants and veggies to get enough protein and he is correct that you can not get even close to enough protein without some type of supplementation or using any diary, eggs or animal products at all.
The bodybuilders I speak of supplement their diets with these items because you aren't getting enough protein from rice and beans.
Posted on 1/18/17 at 11:10 am to lsu777
quote:what about rice beans seeds soy etc. There are some folks ONLY eating fruits and veggies, but for the most part it's more than that.
Junky is speaking more from strictly plants and veggies to get enough protein and he is correct that you can not get even close to enough protein without some type of supplementation or using any diary, eggs or animal products at all.
Ps this thread is about "vegetarian" not "vegan"... so we are assuming dairy + eggs are in the diet. No problem with B+D vitamins
Eta Just made a smoothie with 5 cups spinach, 2 bananas and 5 strawberries....(bleh bleh sugar). Did I get 0 protein from that? I drank it because I'm sick of having this damn cold but seriously, is that what junky is implying? Or is he saying I got LESS than what i projected I would get. (I didn't do the math on the protein fwiw except google said 3.6g from the spinach)
This post was edited on 1/18/17 at 11:49 am
Posted on 1/18/17 at 12:01 pm to lsu777
quote:
Junky is speaking more from strictly plants and veggies to get enough protein and he is correct that you can not get even close to enough protein without some type of supplementation or using any diary, eggs or animal products at all.
Enough for someone who weight trains and wants to add muscle or enough for the average sedentary American to maintain and not lose muscle?
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