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re: Switching to vegetarian diet
Posted on 1/12/17 at 9:36 pm to dnm3305
Posted on 1/12/17 at 9:36 pm to dnm3305
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Very simple solution. Start hunting or eat roadkill. I would eat run over possums over going vegan or vegetarian. I will just never understand it. To not eat meat is so out of touch with what humanity has done for it's entire existence.
There are some people in this country that wake up early and "scout" for roadkill.
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Posted on 1/12/17 at 9:43 pm to thibtigerfan
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Veggies
Fruits
Meat
Why restrict any? A more complete diet is what I would recommend
Probably because of the sugar content in one, and the other not being necessary, at all, as a food choice to be healthy - despite what "experts" say. I've already proved that in numerous posts here and in the past.
Posted on 1/12/17 at 9:47 pm to lsu777
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two of the top three ingredients are processed oil, but yea it's vegan so it must be good for you right? And yea pea protein is just the epitome of health.
It was like reading a chemical experiment list of "needed chemicals"
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Sorry if I'm the a-hole that has to break this to y'all. You would be much much better off learning to eat like your ancestors, fast and then feast on meats and veggies. But y'all have fun with your crap from a box.
I think I was more an a-hole than you
This post was edited on 1/12/17 at 9:50 pm
Posted on 1/12/17 at 10:21 pm to Junky
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Yes, because when I'm lost in the woods, the last thing I am doing is trying my luck at gathering leaves to eat....very filling.
Yes, because early man was just lost in the woods. Fact is it was difficult to kill or find meat. So they ate berries, fruits, leaves, bark, etc. most of the time.
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Without the extra fatty acids from meat, our brains wouldn't have grown to the size they are now.
Standard Paleo propaganda. Eating calorie dense meat more likely freed up carb calories to fuel the brain. Cooking food played an even more importanat roll by making food quickly digestable. LINK
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Oh, please tell me how they did this before forming cities.
Some of the oldest food making tools found are oat mills. LINK
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But now evidence has emerged that people enjoyed their carbs even during the Paleolithic era, a period also known as the Old Stone Age that stretched from roughly 2.5 million to 12,000 years ago. A new analysis of a Paleolithic pestle shows it was dusted with oat starch, suggesting that ancient humans were grinding oats into flour and, presumably, dining on oatcakes or some other oat-based delicacy.
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The idea that prehistoric people didn’t eat grain “is just wrong. It’s misinformed,” says Huw Barton of Britain’s University of Leicester, who studies ancient starch grains. “People ate what they could get their hands on. Eating is surviving.”
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And no one wants to answer my questions on anatomy...
Which question?
This post was edited on 1/12/17 at 10:23 pm
Posted on 1/12/17 at 10:28 pm to Zappas Stache
After watching forks over knives a few months ago, I switched to a mainly plant based diet of freshly cooked foods and cut my dairy by 90%. I've dropped 25 lbs without exercise, feel better and sleep better than I have in years, along with other benefits like blood pressure and cholesterol improvements.
I don't preach to anyone and I love meat, but this is working for me and it's pretty easy outside of the social aspects.
I don't preach to anyone and I love meat, but this is working for me and it's pretty easy outside of the social aspects.
This post was edited on 1/13/17 at 8:14 am
Posted on 1/13/17 at 6:51 am to CajunAlum Tiger Fan
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I've dropped 25 lbs without exercise, feel better and sleep better than I have in years, along with other benefits like blood pressure and cholesterol improvements.
I upvoted
Posted on 1/13/17 at 7:12 am to Zappas Stache
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Which question?
this
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I want you to look at the human digestive system and tell me how I am supposed to digest cellulose fiber and convert that into short chain fatty acids like a cow.
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So how are you going to absorb all those nutrients in those plants when a human doesn't even have the hardware to digest it?
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As I mentioned towards the top of this post - you do not have the antimony of a cow, nor a gorilla, nor a bison, nor a horse. These animals gut microbes covert the fiber into short chain fatty acids which they use for the majority of their energy intake ...basically
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Yes, because early man was just lost in the woods. Fact is it was difficult to kill or find meat. So they ate berries, fruits, leaves, bark, etc. most of the time
No, he wasn't. He was a predator with a predator's anatomy. They are already looking into what they ate and finding out, based on the carbon ratios and nitrogen ratios, that man was a very high level carnivore eating freshwater fish and meats, not oats and berries.
Here is the isotope study
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Early modern humans also appear to have regularly hunted large herbivores (55–57), but there is also evidence for the use of small game, including fish at some of these sites (15, 16).
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Neanderthals and early modern humans had similar dietary adaptations, obtaining most of their dietary protein from animals, although some of the early modern humans obtained significant amounts of their protein from aquatic, and not just terrestrial, sources.
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Therefore, Oase 1 must have obtained a significant portion of its protein from a different ecosystem, for which the best candidate is freshwater fish.
This isn't some RCT or epidemiological study. They actually found a way to look 40,000 yrs ago.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 11:28 am to tke_swamprat
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it took days and weeks to sometimes kill an animal
They also processed the kill their selves
Hunted without the rifles and tools used today. (They had to work harder for their meat)
Posted on 1/13/17 at 11:35 am to Junky
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Probably because of the sugar content in one, and the other not being necessary, at all, as a food choice to be healthy - despite what "experts" say. I've already proved that in numerous posts here and in the past.
For every study complaining about the sugar in fruit there is one stating that it is healthy.
I would take my results and sustainability from a well balanced diet and put them up against any all meat diet in terms of health.
My numbers and performance would be better over a years time.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 12:11 pm to Junky
Are plant proteins 100% cellulose?
Posted on 1/13/17 at 12:38 pm to mouton
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Are plant proteins 100% cellulose?
Do they have all 9 essential amino acids? Plant proteins are wrapped in the cellulose. You aren't getting it all absorbed because you aren't digesting the all of the fiber and all the protein inside, you are pooping some protein out. On top of that, not receiving all 9 essential amino acids.
You missed my point.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 12:46 pm to thibtigerfan
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For every study complaining about the sugar in fruit there is one stating that it is healthy.
I would take my results and sustainability from a well balanced diet and put them up against any all meat diet in terms of health.
My numbers and performance would be better over a years time.
Low glycemic load fruits I would agree, they aren't as bad. Bananas, not so much.
See the chart for the load. But, again, it isn't needed for health, so sorry to burst the bubble.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 1:19 pm to Junky
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Do they have all 9 essential amino acids
Some do. And if you combine two plant proteins in a meal you can easily get all nine. I understand plant proteins have less bioavailability than other sources but you make it sound like it is undigestable.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 1:22 pm to thibtigerfan
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For every study complaining about the sugar in fruit there is one stating that it is healthy.
I would take my results and sustainability from a well balanced diet and put them up against any all meat diet in terms of health.
My numbers and performance would be better over a years time.
any person or study who says excess amounts of fruitose is healthy does not understand the role it plays it liver glycogen and how liver glycogen is used by the body.
and not your numbers would not be better, genetics aside and your performance wouldn't even be close in terms of anything involving strength. endurance, maybe but many of the best extreme runners in the world have switch to VLC diets for a reason.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 1:29 pm to Aubie Spr96
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Fat vegetarians always make me laugh.
Cows are fat.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 2:56 pm to mouton
Some of it is indigestible, that is why plants look like plants (corn, lettuce, e.t.) when you poop them out; to begin with, plant proteins don't have enough of the essentials to complete the RDA protein profile.
You cannot eat, and absorb, the amount of food required to digest the essential amino acids needed. You do not have the bacteria in the gut necessary to break the cellulose down enough to get to the amino acids.
I mean, wow. Compare a solid branch of science like anatomy to a BS'ed one like nutrition and people get all up in arms.
You cannot eat, and absorb, the amount of food required to digest the essential amino acids needed. You do not have the bacteria in the gut necessary to break the cellulose down enough to get to the amino acids.
I mean, wow. Compare a solid branch of science like anatomy to a BS'ed one like nutrition and people get all up in arms.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 2:57 pm to MAROON
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Cows are fat.
Cows are "post-grass"
They are proud to consume the grass so I don't have to
Posted on 1/13/17 at 3:19 pm to lsu777
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excess amounts of fruitose
This doesn't make fruit unhealthy
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not your numbers would not be better, genetics aside and your performance wouldn't even be close in terms of anything involving strength. endurance, maybe but many of the best extreme runners in the world have switch to VLC diets for a reason.
This is not an ALL meat diet that they have switched too
And yes, I believe numbers and performance would be superior on a whole foods BALANCED diet (not an extreme in any one group) than an ALL meat diet
Posted on 1/13/17 at 3:28 pm to Junky
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Neanderthals and early modern humans had similar dietary adaptations, obtaining most of their dietary protein from animals,
LINK
When we evolved to humans we started eating a more plant based diet.
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Early humans, on the other hand, seemed to stick with a pretty consistent diet regardless of environmental changes: They regularly ate a relatively higher proportion of plant-based foods. Researchers figured this out by studying the tiny, microscopic dings and dents on ancient teeth.
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Cardiologist William C. Roberts hails from the famed cattle state of Texas, but he says this without hesitation: Humans aren't physiologically designed to eat meat. "I think the evidence is pretty clear. If you look at various characteristics of carnivores versus herbivores, it doesn't take a genius to see where humans line up," says Roberts, editor in chief of The American Journal of Cardiology and medical director of the Baylor Heart and Vascular Institute at Baylor University Medical Center in Dallas. © Stephen Kroninger As further evidence, Roberts cites the carnivore's short intestinal tract, which reaches about three times its body length. An herbivore's intestines are 12 times its body length, and humans are closer to herbivores, he says. Roberts rattles off other similarities between human beings and herbivores. Both get vitamin C from their diets (carnivores make it internally). Both sip water, not lap it up with their tongues. Both cool their bodies by perspiring (carnivores pant).
You keep presenting your studies as accepted fact but there is no consensus in the scientific community on the diet of early man. To insinuate there is denotes intellectual laziness and/or a overt subversion of current science. What is agreed upon is humans are omnivores and ate both meat and plant foods and even grains.
laser ablation stable isotope analysis reveals that the delta13C values of Paranthropus robustus
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History argues in favor of the omnivore argument, considering that humans have eaten meat for 2.5 million years or more, according to fossil evidence. Indeed, when researchers examined the chemical makeup of the teeth of an early African hominid that lived in woodlands three million years ago, they expected to learn that our ancestor lived on fruits and leaves. "But the isotopic clues show that it ate a varied diet, including either grassland plants or animals that themselves fed on grasses," reported the journal Science in 1999.
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Are humans natural vegetarians? In the end, whether a person lives a vegetarian lifestyle has less to do with esoteric matters of anatomy and more to do with ethics and personal values. The architecture of the human body offers no simple answers.
This post was edited on 1/13/17 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 1/13/17 at 3:39 pm to Zappas Stache
Can you fix your second link? TIA
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