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I will miss them both, but I really think they have a bright future in their respective teams. We always said that Vasquez could be either a starting point guard in a mediocre team, or a good 6 men in a play off team. Economically, I think this will be good for his carrier. If Sacramento uses the rest of the off season to get something for center, I thinks Vasquez has pretty much a guarantied starting position for the whole year. If he post similar numbers to this year he will get into a sweet deal next of season wherever he goes.

If they were to pull that off, Dell should then run for US President with Monty as hist VP

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Drafting Burke does not mean you need to move Gravy

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I agree that we would not NEED to move Vasquez, but even though having 4 guards is ideal, it may be that we have other needs in the team that could be worth addressing by sacrificing one of the 4 guards. Haven said that, I am convinced that Dell will not let Vasquez go unless he feels he is getting a really good deal

If the management team is leaning towards drafting Burke, and eventually trading Vasquez to maximize the return, when would be the best time to do it? I know my point is not going to be very popular among some fans, but here it is anyway.

If we are trying to get the best possible value for Vasquez, I think the strategy would be to draft Burke (assuming he is available) and keep Vasquez.

In this scenario, I would assume that we would have improved the team in other positions via trade and free agency. If that is the case, we can then let Vasquez start next season for a month or so (while Burke learns the system and gets use to the NBA), and then trade him before the dead line.

My rational here is that due to his surgery, Vasquez value right now is much lower than what it was at the end of the season. Now, if he starts for the first month of the season, we have an improved team, and a healthy Gordon we can eventually end that first month with a positive record (despite having Vasquez starting). If that is the case, then what you would be offering for trade would be a healthy “starting PG” (note that I am using quotes here), that helped a team to a positive record, with decent numbers (let’s say he has something like 9 assists and 14 ppg the first month).

In that scenario we could certainly get a much better value for him than what we can get now, and our season would not be compromised, as Burke would then take the PG position haven learned the basics of the team, and we would have an additional player (whoever we get for Vasquez) to help us.

What do you think?

If you are right and he starts from day one, do you think Vasquez will be cool being his backup? It is very different being the backup of a rookie, than being the backup PG of an elite player.

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I'm not defensive, and I'm sorry if I'm conveying any harsh sounding emotion in my comments. I'm honestly just sharing my opinion. And its one I feel quite strongly about because if the position is not upgraded, I think that will be a huge roadblock to our rebuild

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Fare enough

OK, this is going too much into Vasquez been able to become a better athlete or not. I just want to know, if you think that a PG (whoever it is) with Vasquez's defensive limitations, and posting the stats I posted (15 PPG, 9.5 APG, 48% FG%, 38% 3p% 3 TO pg, 13 shots PG and 0.5 hero per game, could be a decent starting PG in the NBA?

In my last post there was a bit of a discussion on weather Vasquez has reach his ceiling or not. IMO he can improve in some aspects, and not in others.

If Vasquez was to be our starting PG next season and his numbers were to be:

15 PPG up from 13.9

9.5 APG up form 9.0

3 TOPG down from 3.2

0.48 FG%, up from 0.43

0.380 3p % up from 0.34

13 shots per game down from 13.3

0.5 hero ball shots per game down from about 2 per game average

And his defense is about the same as last season, would you think this would be enough to offset his defensive shortcomings?

I am not that worry about how slow he gets, I am worry that his trade value for this off season my go down a lot

We all seem to agree, that both Lopez and Vasquez in their respective positions showed good progress, but also limitations. Although not ideal in most people minds, it is certainly a possibility that either one of them or both would be our starting players next season (note I am not saying that is ideal or very likely but certainly one of the possibilities). We also agree that it is possible to have a decent season with either of them being starters, as long as the other additions to the team really make a difference in comparison to this year. Now my question is which of this two players is more serviceable for next season.
Lopez:
Pros:
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[*]Very reliable (played every game last season as starter).
[*]Good physical presence under the basket.
[*]Relatively consistent with his short/ medium range shots.
[*] Relatively cheap for what he offers
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Cons:
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[*]Very slow for his position (which is more consequential if he plays together with Vasquez, as both are very slow).
[*]Not very aggressive offensively.
[*]Can’t really jump, for his size,
[*]He is weak as a rebounder.
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Vasquez:
Pros:
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[*]Probably his biggest plus is how cheap he is for what he offers (2.3 mills for next year).
[*]Very passionate, hardworking attitude (he gives 110% night in and night out).
[*]High advantage over other PG (he can post up and get points that way).
[*]Relatively good court vision.
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Cons:
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[*]Clearly his biggest negative is his defense. He is too slow, and has not being able to learn how to at least be less of a liability.
[*]Tends to keep the ball too long.
[*]Slows down the offense when it needs speed.
[*]Tries way too many hero shots.
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I think this is a close one in terms of serviceability for next season what do you think?