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re: LSU D approach vs. GT

Posted by TechinItEasy on 12/23/08 at 9:51 am to
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So stopping the outside is better than trying to explode through the middle right?
It's neither better nor worse. They are both equally necessary.

You made the comment that not many teams can rely on breaking up plays consistently. I will contend that not many teams can rely on their safeties/corners making consistent unassisted open field tackles against a runningback.

But if you ignore one area to beef up the other, we will simply take advantage of the area you ignored.

re: LSU D approach vs. GT

Posted by TechinItEasy on 12/23/08 at 9:35 am to
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And what defense can do this multiple times during game?
Not many(at least when our OL is clicking)...look at Johnson's record at GSU when he played on an equal playing field(not at Navy where 13 games out of every year he had less talent, by a large margin, than the other team)

re: LSU D approach vs. GT

Posted by TechinItEasy on 12/23/08 at 9:15 am to
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Stopping the option is about pressure.........You have to stop it before it starts.
Ding ding ding!

Assignment football will slow it down, maybe force us to pass more than we want...but won't necessarily stop it. Even when UGA managed to play their assignments we were still getting 3-5 yards/play because by the time we made the dive read, keep read, pitch read(then pitched) we would already be a few yards up the field.

Busting through the OL and stopping the play before it starts is the only way to "stop" it(as in any offense, really).

Some teams were fairly successful with this early on...but our OL has really come together well the last half of the season, and they deserve more credit than they are getting for the overall improvement this team has seen throughout the season.
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Anyone that passes on 3rd and long. Which is everyone.
GT has actually converted quite a few 3rd and longs without passing this year...although I imagine we will go to the pass against you guys.

re: Ga. Tech -Ga game

Posted by TechinItEasy on 12/21/08 at 11:54 am to
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No sarcasm. Are you from the 50's to 70's and enjoy watching boring offense that is all but dead? I understand that trends and fads are cyclical, but I don't ever want to see LSU run the option on a consistent basis. The spread is nothing more than the run-n-shoot, and people still haven't figured it out.
You've obviously got it all figured out...someone should pay you $3mil a year to coach football!

Be sure to watch the GT game....leading the country in plays of 20+ yards is far from boring.
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Well, this topic begs the question, should a team play to its strengths, or to its opponents weaknesses? Obviously, where the two match up, that's a win-win. However, if GT's strength was a passing attack, surely they would have mixed in more passes throughout the season. The stats say otherwise; GT's strength is its running game, and that will surely remain the focal point of their attack. So I doubt very seriously GT will change its whole game plan for this one game. However, given the weaknesses in our secondary, you can bet they will mix in a few new wrinkles for this game, and ones likely involving passing. I doubt very seriously that we will see a whole new game plan, IMO.


Johnson has always had a run and shoot passing package in his offense. He was never able to implement it at Navy b/c of personnel. But we knew he would here at GT.

I'm assuming he's using the "free" weeks of bowl practice, coupled with the weakness of the LSU secondary, as an excuse to go ahead and put some in.

That said, I highly doubt we see a 65/35 run/pass ratio like he ran at GSU. Maybe next year he will have all of it installed, but I would imagine they are working on just enough right now to try and take a little advantage of LSU's pass D...I'm guessing we see somewhere in the range of 12-14 passes(with the extra passes being 15-20+ yards) rather than the 6-8 we've been seeing.

re: LSU fans....

Posted by TechinItEasy on 12/19/08 at 7:58 am to
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There is a reason nobody in the SEC runs the option anymore. The SEC defenses have too much lateral speed for the option to be successful. Despite the horrible defensive gameplans LSU still has some of the best defensive team speed in the country. I don't see the option being successful against them.
:lol: :lol:

Have you been under a rock for the last 6 months?
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and stopping the option with a month to prepare is completely different as well
No...it's the same. You just have more time to work on it.

I was responding to a poster who chalked up an LSU win b/c GT doesn't pass and LSU's run D is so good.
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If they can't pass the ball, they won't beat us...even as bad as our D is....we can stop the run if that's all they are going to do.
Didn't we already have a thread about this? UGA and Miami were both ranked higher than you were in Run D before we played them.

Stopping the run vs a traditional offense has very little to do with stopping the run vs an option offense.
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That's what I'm saying when I say one dimensional. Just focus on stopping the run.
This makes a whole lot more sense rather than bringing up meaningless rushing defense stats.

My point has been "run defense vs an option team" is something entirely different than "run defense vs a traditional team".
lsume you can consider it whatever you want...my point remains that focusing on what we DON'T do doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

If we run 62 plays in a game, and only 6 of them are passing plays(ala UGA, or 63/7 ala Miami)...shouldn't you talk about our collective stats for what we are doing the other 90% of the time?
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Hey, you know... you're likely to get "a season's worth of option" in the bowl game. Make sure you DVR it.
Haha...at least their being good sports about it. It's no fun when one side breaks down into "oh ya!? You're a nerd!" or "oh ya!? you smell like corndogs!"
Well then it was just black.

If our offense is one dimensional, then your stats should focus on the one dimension we do have.
But, like I said before, you painted the picture with only one color...and it was purple.

I was just evening it out with some white and gold.
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You do realize that UGAg was about there when we played them, and now they're #41.
They were actually 1ypg per game better than LSU before we played them.
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Are you aware that you will be playing a team with 3 weeks and a year full of film to prepare for that attack? If you guys run over us it will be because our coaches are totally incompetent...not because your offense is so dynamic that it is unstoppable. If we get good play out of our QB, then GT is in trouble.


We've got the same three weeks to prepare for you...and there is decades of film on the option, not one year.

I'm not saying anything is unstoppable..quite a few teams proved that it is, in fact, very stoppable like any other offense.

Let's face it, asking LSU for decent QB play this year is like asking for a small miracle.
Not talking about rankings or stats...we've played highly ranked(statistically) teams with mixed success. VT at 19, BC at 7 in run defense and 3 of the top 15 teams in total defense. This is why I used the word "tendencies" and not "statistics"

My point was that your D has a tendency to not wrap tackles or play with discipline, a lot like Miami and UGA. Or at least that's what everyone on here has told me.

And yes, I am aware that your Run D is ranked #17. Are you aware that the "Run D" stat has been pretty much thrown out the window as a basis for whether or not you can stop an option team?
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Against, if so good then why not in the mediocre ACC's title game? Medicore passing stats on 100 tosses for the entire season. Lost 2 of their final 5 games, struggled vs Gardner-Webb, Clemson..tussles vs BC, VT, Va, FSU..4 of 5 games played away from Dodd were basically 3 pt games(winning but 3 of 5)..etc..
Nobody is really saying we're "so good"...at least I'm not, the media might be drinking the kool-aid a bit.

But with the way our offense has played this year, when we get up against defenses with tendencies similar to your own, we have run pretty wild.

UVA, UNC played sound defense and tackled well, they managed to stop us + we turned it over 3 times in each game(leading to 21 of UNC's 28 points).

Gardner Webb we did not run our offense. Our third string QB is literally incapable of it(he is solely a drop back passer)..We called "dive, keep, or pitch" before every play, no option at all.

FSU we were stomping until our starting QB went out. FSU fans will tell you this.

Our first 3-4 games of the year we didn't have a clue what we were doing, BC and VT were total crapshoots...everyone seems to forget that this is the first year we have run this offense, with players recruited for something else.
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That's basically the definition of one dimensional.
Every option play we run has at least 2 dimensions to it.

You're missing the forest for the trees.
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I will be heavily drunk by halftime if we don't have 8 guys in the box 50% of the time.
You will be soberly watching a beat down then. :lol: