LarryK

Excellent post. But there are other ways to the truth than arbitrarily choosing whom to believe. Which is why I keep coming back to the actual legal votes cast. There is only ONE WAY for a voter who hand marked a ballot in favor of Donald Trump to have that vote "electronically hacked," and that is to have it electronically tabulated as a vote for Joe Biden. Now, yes, there are fraudulent ways of doing that. But any conspirator who does it enough times had better have the ability to physically DESTROY the actual number of LEGAL Trump BALLOTS he's MISCOUNTING AS Biden's while simultaneously having the ability to GENERATE the physical number of actual COUNTERFEIT Biden ballots to MATCH the fictional number of Biden votes he is INVENTING!!!

At least that is what you need to do if you have any hope of your fraud surviving a thorough recount or audit. If you don't have the ability to make ALL of those things happen, you a taking one hell of a stupid risk and apparently assuming that a recount will never take place by court order or that it will not be conducted honestly.

Now HOW IN GOD'S NAME could you make such stupid assumptions if you were a Chinese government official managing the theft of an election from an entire hemisphere away?? Are you sure you've hired enough reliable co-conspirators to produce and destroy the correct number of physical ballots in six separate swing states? Are you sure you've paid off all the tens of thousands of election officials in every county as well as State Governors and other elected officials AND, state, federal and Supreme Court justices??? REALLY????

Based on Mary Fanning's spreadsheet detailing the number of Trump votes that were changed, Mike Lindell believes Trump WON the election by 85 MILLION VOTES!!! If he and Fanning are correct, that would mean there are 85 million physical pieces of paper currently in storage that would prove it.

If conspiracy theorists can't make an adequate legal case through the state legislatures or the court system to physically produce and independently recount EVERY LAST ONE of those ballots there is absolutely no reason to believe this categorically insane accusation of what even Lindell would have correctly described as the "largest single cyber attack in our nation's history."

That either happened or it didn't. If it happened it needs to be proved by something far more convincing than a a bunch of numbers on reams of paper from an author whose entire journalistic history is traceable only to a crazed conspiracy website with connections to a documented con artist named Dennis Montgomery.

The LEGAL, HAND MARKED ballots exist. Bring them forth or shut the hell up.

Like I said, I understand your suspicion. I landed here accidentally, and just want to respond to everyone who was kind enough to respond to me.

Fraud either happened or it didn't. I'm just giving the best evidence of my belief that IF IT HAPPENED, it was of nowhere near the extent many would have us believe and that precious little IF ANY of it occurred as a result of voting machines hacked over the internet. That specific theory is the one that makes the least amount of sense from the common sense perspective of it actually being successfully implemented.

If everything you say is true, this would imply that she is, by virtue of those contacts, revealing information that is obviously classified, if not HIGHLY classified.

She would not be the first journalist to do this, of course. But she would be one of the very few who has done this without attracting the interest of other mainstream media sources. What intelligence agencies knew about the JFK assassination, 9/11, and, ultimately, even Russiagate and the FBI's corrupt pursuit of Trump and several close advisers has never been of unilateral interest to conservative pundits only. Even the New York Times and Washington Post published confidential incriminating FBI documents as they were revealed.

So, thanks for your personal reference to the fictional Ms. Fanning's sterling character, but based on the questionable character of the ONLY publication in which I have seen her work displayed and the fact that I don't know you at ALL....at this point, I choose not to believe YOU either.

And I would re-emphasize the main point I made earlier -- any alleged fraudulent manipulation of an electronic vote tally would EXIST at the DIRECT CONTRADICTION OF the irrefutably compelling evidence of the actual number of LEGALLY VALID physical ballots cast. That evidence exists as we correspond. That evidence -- the number of ballots themselves -- either PROVES ELECTION FRAUD or it irrefutably DISPROVES ELECTION FRAUD (or at least that election fraud by hacked voting machines allegedly demonstrated by Ms. Fanning's spreadsheet).

There simply IS no more "impeccable source" than the complete universe of LEGALLY handmarked ballots in this election. Because while they may have been suspiciously COUNTED by SUSPECT MACHINES, they were marked and cast by the most reputable sources imaginable -- the voters.

Mary Fanning is a far right political author specializing in the wildest, most intellectually bankrupt conspiracy theories, primarily on the website The American Report.org. There is absolutely no evidence that she has any specialized knowledge or background in information technology, computer programming or has worked for any government intelligence agency. Nonetheless, she has been writing about the “Hammer and Scorecard” conspiracy and the alleged involvement of the con man Dennis Montgomery in providing this bogus capability to the CIA as far back as 2017 on the aforementioned website.

I don’t believe Mike Lindell is lying. I believe he and so many conservative followers of President Trump are being played for fools. It literally breaks my heart. Conservatives are understandably outraged when they are lied to by Democrat liberals. But they don’t seem to think that it’s possible they might be deceived by others in their own party. But that is clearly what has happened.

You simply cannot electronically STEAL votes on the magnitude that Fanning’s spreadsheet suggests. The reason is because the alleged electronic fraud altering the vote tally in numerous, multi-state counties and individual precincts ONLY CHANGES THE NUMBERS ON A VIRTUAL TELEVISED SCOREBOARD THAT HAS ABSOLUTELY NO RELATIONSHIP TO THE BALLOTS THAT WERE ACTUALLY CAST AND WHICH PHYSICALLY REPRESENT THE TRUE VOTE TOTALS IN THE ELECTION.

The actual ballots in Arizona, Michigan, and Wisconsin were MARKED BY HAND. NO MACHINE WAS INVOLVED IN SELECTING AND MARKING BALLOTS FOR ANY CANDIDATE!! That was also true in the vast majority of counties in Pennsylvania, although in Philadelphia and all of Georgia candidate selection was made by a ballot marking device, which produced a paper ballot that the voter could inspect for accuracy before submitting to a machine tabulator for counting.

The point is simply this: If Trump won the election by 85 MILLION VOTES, AS LINDELL BELIEVES, THEN THOSE 85 MILLION PAPER BALLOTS ARE SITTING IN STORAGE IN VARIOUS WAREHOUSES ACROSS THE COUNTRY. The absolute proof would be to hand count them. They did that in Georgia. All 5,000,000 ballots. But die hard conservatives refuse to believe that the recount itself was not a conspiracy. And regardless of how many of those Georgia ballots were FRAUDULENT BALLOTS, conservatives are missing the extremely relevant point that the MACHINES ACCURATELY COUNTED THE PHYSICAL BALLOTS THEMSELVES. That’s all machines can do. And when it is proven that they have done THAT, then it was ALSO PROVEN THAT THOSE SAME MACHINES WERE NOT TAMPERED WITH OVER THE INTERNET.

Believing otherwise would be like believing Ohio State beat Alabama 52-24 for the National Championship solely on the basis of an allegedly hacked scoreboard and in direct contradiction to the number of times the ball crossed a specific goal line and who carried it over. And why would a FOREIGN criminal conspirator try to pull off such a stupid idea when the real proof of what happened – the HAND MARKED PAPER BALLOTS – were readily available? Could that foreign conspirator reasonably count on the illegal cooperation of every state election commission in the United States??? Does that theory make the slightest bit of sense?

GET IT???