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here.


...its seems there is a connection...

Perception or stereotypes carry weight in judgment. Fairly or unfair...yes it happens


Too much stick together mindset when there is no prior relationship with a victim who happens to be a felon

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African Americans being judged that way is a huge problem. George Floyd should not have been treated that way. He is a human being. It doesn’t matter what his record is. People stick together because of the history and reality of how African Americans have been treated in this country.

Senator Tim Scott, a Republican, gave a speech taking about these issues on a personal level.

he rose to the floor to deliver a moving speech about his personal history being stopped by law-enforcement officers for what amounted to driving while black. “While I thank God that I have not endured bodily harm,” he declared, “I have felt the pressure applied by the scales of justice when they are slanted. I have felt the anger, the frustration, the sadness, and the humiliation that comes from feeling that you are being targeted for nothing more than being just yourself.”

The first time he was stopped by police, his car had a malfunctioning headlight. A cop approached, hand on his gun, and told him, “Boy, don’t you know your headlight isn’t working properly?” He felt “embarrassed, ashamed, and scared. Very scared.”
Other traffic stops followed. Skipping past many of them, he chose to focus his remarks on “a time in my life when I was an elected official,” noting that while he would not share every interaction, “please remember that in the course of one year, I’ve been stopped seven times by law-enforcement officers. Not four, not five, not six, but seven times in one year as an elected official. Was I speeding sometimes? Sure. But the vast majority of the time I was pulled over for nothing more than driving a new car in the wrong neighborhood, or some other reason just as trivial.”

Once incident began as he was leaving the mall.
“I took a left. And as soon as I took a left the police officer pulled in right behind me. I got to another traffic light. I took another left into a neighborhood. Police followed behind me. I took a third left on the street that led to my apartment complex. And then finally I took a fourth left coming into my apartment complex, and then the blue lights went on. The officer approached the car and said that I did not use my turn signal on the fourth turn. Keep in mind, as you might imagine, I was paying very close attention to the law-enforcement officer who followed me on four turns. Do you really think that I forgot to use my turn signal on that fourth turn?”

Another time, he said, a cop pulled him onto a roadside median and declared that he believed the car Scott was driving might be stolen. “I also think about the experiences of my brother, who became a Command Sergeant Major in the United States Army, the highest rank for an enlisted soldier. He was driving from Texas to Charleston,” he said. “Pulled over by a law-enforcement officer who wanted to know if he had stolen the car that he was driving because it was a Volvo. I do not know many African American men who do not have a very similar story to tell no matter their profession, no matter their income, no matter their disposition in life.

A former staffer of his was the subject of one such story. He drove a Chrysler 300, “a nice car, but not a Ferrari. He was pulled over so many times here in D.C. for absolutely no reason other than for driving a nice car.” He sold that car to stop being targeted.
“Imagine the frustration, the irritation, the sense of a loss of dignity that accompanies each of those stops,” Scott said, relating that even on Capitol Hill, as a member of the Senate, he has been stopped by police and asked to prove his membership.

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why should we accept this premise when we know a great many crimes are being committed by 'people of color'

your question should be, how do we keep the law enforcement out of our neighborhoods?

when whites see the law coming to a house all the time (across the street), its usually domestic violence or drugs

everyone is praying that BS is dealt with

when you see the law in your neighborhood all the time it's time to move so you have better neighbors

the law, just so everyone is clear, get's a phone call "to come out"

they don't just show up..."somebody did something"...if everyone is black in that area, guess who is .....

so I reject the premise of your request...it defies what's actually happening relative to "breaking the law"

again, it goes back to parenting...all of it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Yeah people don’t always have a choice when they interact with the criminal justice system and interactions shouldn’t be biased against African Americans on the basis of race. There is plenty of evidence that too often that interactions are driven by race. It is a problem. Doesn’t mean there to other issues but that is a significant one here.

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It is an issue of FAUX systemic racial prejudice in this country and many people wanting 6-7% of the population to STOP committing more than 50% of the violent crime in this country in the name of cultcha. Until then, there will never be any real change.



FIFY!

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No it is a very real problem and your post illustrates part of the problem. Black people are judged collectively and in a negative way. The prejudice is supposedly justified. That is the problem.

No thanks. I think we should work to solve our problems and work to live up to our founding ideals. We are a diverse country with lots of different views. We should work on making it work is tear or fantasies about breaking up which won’t happen and won’t be good for anyone.

This isn’t a left right issue. It is an issue of systemic racial prejudice in this country and many people wanting things to change.

That is why I encourage people to look at the evidence. There is plenty out there to show that prejudice on the basis of race is a significant factor in this country.

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The Decline and Fall of the United States of America. by DaManiacLovesYou
What a crock of shite. When 7% of the population is responsible for well over 50% of violent crime, this is the result you get. If you have priors, you get harsher sentences. Don’t give me no shite about skin color. Have you been to a frickin courthouse? Half the goddamn judges are black. If “systemic racism “ exists, go ahead and show us the secret code book that has these underlying rules in place throughout the land. Quit acting like wild frickin animals and you don’t have to worry about police getting nervous around you

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The statistics show that blacks get larger sentences than whites even when two people have the same criminal history. Whether there are black judges depends on where you go. You illustrate one of the problems with all is this. Black individuals are too often judged based on stereotypes about black people.

Your last sentence illustrates the problem perfectly. A black individual can’t stop the perception that black people act like wild animals. That kind of prejudice has been around for centuries. There is always some sort of justification for it. That kind of judgment is wrong and has to stop.

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Post some of your evidence please. TIA

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Here is an article about an interesting study on traffic stops. Being black makes it much more likely someone will be stopped and searched in North Carolina despite the fact that blacks people are less likely to be found with contraband.

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Controlling for factors including past violent crimes the US sentencing commission found differences in sentencing based on race.

( there are also studies on employment that show racial bias against people of color).

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This is the lie that has been repeated so long it is taken as fact

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Except it is true. You can look at studies on traffic stops or sentencing. You can even look to the stories individuals have about their own experiences. There is ample evidence out there. It isn’t a new problem on this country.

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Like affirmative action.

The only legal form of racism that nobody wants to have a conversation about.

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I don’t think affirmative action is racism. It is in place because of systemic racial prejudice against people of color who are minorities in this country. You can talk about affirmative action if you want. That doesn’t excuse the massive prejudice and bias against people of color Particularly within the context of the criminal justice system.

I think building better relationships between police and many of these communities and with people of color is something that needs to come out of this. We need empathy and we need understanding more than ever. I think it is a step towards reform and building better police departments.

Let’s not forget that police are supposed to protect and serve. They work for the community not against it. The bias and prejudice that exists in our criminal justice system is a problem. The perception that police aren’t there to help in many cases is a problem.