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nc_tiger
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re: Final Poll (Democracy Institute/Sunday Express) in NH: TRUMP +4%!!!
Posted by nc_tiger on 11/1/20 at 12:35 pm to pollopolli
poll good for biden
this board: all poles are wrong
poll good for trump
this board: great news!
:rotflmao:
this board: all poles are wrong
poll good for trump
this board: great news!
:rotflmao:
re: Let's face it - if Biden really had this in the bag
Posted by nc_tiger on 11/1/20 at 12:32 pm to TakingStock
Tuesday can't get here fast enough.
He's already said the forecast is basically frozen at this point.
Biden camp announces trip to Ohio Monday
Posted by nc_tiger on 11/1/20 at 11:48 am
what does this mean
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Editor: Okay, sure. Let's run with that.
because a bunch of sheep will eat it up no matter what and ratings are all that count to a TV show.
re: Sensing a little bit of unease from Nate Silver today
Posted by nc_tiger on 10/27/20 at 1:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
there's 1 clear example of bad input to a 538 model: the 2016 presidential election. they've proven to do a good job predicting results over the last decade.
538 has never tried to be "wrong" or "right", just apply probabilities. They also never give 0 because it's impossible to give zero, the mathematics of probability prevent a 0% chance in an election based on people voting when they haven't asked every single one the voters. They don't avoid saying 0 to avoid being wrong, it's just math.
538 has never tried to be "wrong" or "right", just apply probabilities. They also never give 0 because it's impossible to give zero, the mathematics of probability prevent a 0% chance in an election based on people voting when they haven't asked every single one the voters. They don't avoid saying 0 to avoid being wrong, it's just math.
in 2016 538 had 4 or 5 states at > 50% hillary that she lost. I think it was 4 or 5 I can't remember exactly and I'm too lazy to look. Therefore I'd say the model performed poorly in comparison to how it performed in 2012. Not a 50/50 metric. I'm basing my opinion of 538, which I would level at "reputable", on more than just presidential elections, but everyone is free to make their own judgements.
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The issue being those "priors and available polls" are flawed to begin with.
of course. the pollsters (and downstream models like 538) claim to have made adjustments after learning things post-2016 election. we'll see on nov 3
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How do you "ace" an election if all you give are percentages?
easy: the states with higher percent chance of going Obama... actually went Obama. the model aced the winner-by-state predictions, that doesn't mean it was quantitatively perfect in the odds it gave each race.
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Since you claim to know how statistics work, you know that 2 iterations of something this complex tell us nothing.
538 has done a lot more than the 2012 and 2016 presidential elections... c'mon you know I'm just pointing those out as examples worth highlighting in the current context.
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He had Trump down in the teens, if not lower, before Election Day.
and at another point before Election Day he had the odds near 50/50
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And there's no way to know if his statistical model is worth a crap or not, which is why I don't understand all the fawning.
the model literally aced the 2012 election. then in 2016 gave trump a higher chance of winning that anyone else out there (71 hillary to 29 trump). so right now history says it's worth a crap, but we live in different times. I think if Trump wins this year polling in general, and then downstream models like 538, will require a harder self analysis than they claimed they did post-2016
re: Sensing a little bit of unease from Nate Silver today
Posted by nc_tiger on 10/27/20 at 11:23 am to Oates Mustache
to build a statistical model that's based on a set of priors and available polls to predict the probability of election outcomes, not the outcome it self.
this place doesn't understand how the field of statistics works.
re: Sensing a little bit of unease from Nate Silver today
Posted by nc_tiger on 10/27/20 at 11:16 am to Oates Mustache
538/Nate Silver is not a pollster. the pollsters are the ones that required the most correcting, though 538 has said they've made adjustments to how the model reads the polls (bc of how off the polls were in 16)
not necessarily on a piece of paper. I mean non tv/radio i.e. web counts
print can still be web, just not tv/radio
thats kinda the point. where do people go for non radio/tv
where do you get your print news
Posted by nc_tiger on 10/26/20 at 5:51 pm
curious to see where the poli board reads the news
eta: by print news I mean anything that is not tv/radio
eta: by print news I mean anything that is not tv/radio
re: Democratic panic?
Posted by nc_tiger on 10/25/20 at 10:55 am to da prophet
Biden going to Atlanta on Tuesday, that’s not panic that’s aggressive
People don’t want to get sick, more at 11
re: Is this the cringiest tweet of all time?
Posted by nc_tiger on 10/21/20 at 11:20 am to Frac the world
this dance is a bit more cringe inducing than that tweet
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