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CarRamrod
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re: Wink Moving to a Monthly Subscription UPDATE - Deadline Extended
I just moved and I'm getting home assistant set up. I have my mini pc running proxmox and a VM of HA. Don't have anything set up yet.

What all are you running? Node red? tasmota? Esphome? I'm still learning all of that.

Also is there a best way to have a smart bulb in a light fixture that has a switch in the wall? I have 3 recessed lights on my porch I want to put colored bulbs to set scenes for holidays and game days. Yet that are on a switch inside. Do I just wire that circuit together and have power full time to the bulbs?


mchias1
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Node red for automations. Tasmota on the Chinese wifi devices. HA is just the central hub.


Ecobee can be controlled locally. Just have to register as a developer and you get access to the api.

If you want colored lights and still use the light switch. Then I'd hard wire power to the lights and the switch. The switch would send an on/off signal through HA to turn the lights on and off.
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guedeaux
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What all are you running? Node red? tasmota? Esphome? I'm still learning all of that.



I tried node-red, but got scared.

I have a bunch of esphome devices. Started with tasmota, but moved them to esphome and WLED.

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Also is there a best way to have a smart bulb in a light fixture that has a switch in the wall? I have 3 recessed lights on my porch I want to put colored bulbs to set scenes for holidays and game days. Yet that are on a switch inside. Do I just wire that circuit together and have power full time to the bulbs?


Inovelli or Zooz smart switches. You can turn off the relay (i.e. leave power on) and use the switch to control the smart bulbs only. I have 3 zigbee bulbs in a ceiling fan light, and an inovelli switch that turns them on and can dim. The switch also turns on a lamp and a script to turn on my computer/TV/speakers/LEDs with different numbers of clicks.


CarRamrod
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I ordered a few inovelli last week. So they can be wired to keep constant power to the circuit? I need to find that wiring diagram

And why did you switch from tasmota to esphome? I know it it more user friendly now they are automating the yaml file creation. Just wondering. I want to choose one and stick with it so I don't have to learn 2 programs.
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guedeaux
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I ordered a few inovelli last week. So they can be wired to keep constant power to the circuit? I need to find that wiring diagram


I have the red series on/off switch. You just wire it normally, tap the switch to turn on power to the fixture, and then tap 8 times the program button on the front of the switch. That disables control of the relay by the switch and leaves power flowing to the fixture. Then you set automations in HA based on the switch's "z-wave events" when you tap up and down. I think you can program it for up to 8 taps up or down. In my home office, if I tap up 5 times, it turns on my computer, 2 times up or down controls a lamp, 1 time up or down turns on zigbee overhead, hold up or down dims zigbee bulbs in overhead fixture (through HA, not actual dimming of the fixture)

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And why did you switch from tasmota to esphome?


I just don't like the way you have to program tasmota if you want to get past anything very basic. It was fine at first for an analog LED strip and some Sonoffs, but once I wanted to use more pins on the boards, esphome was so much easier for me, it just feels more very straightforward.

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CarRamrod
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I have the red series on/off switch. You just wire it normally, tap the switch to turn on power to the fixture, and then tap 8 times the program button on the front of the switch. That disables control of the relay by the switch and leaves power flowing to the fixture.
that sounds easy enough.
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Then you set automations in HA based on the switch's "z-wave events" when you tap up and down. I think you can program it for up to 8 taps up or down. In my home office, if I tap up 5 times, it turns on my computer, 2 times up or down controls a lamp, 1 time up or down turns on zigbee overhead, hold up or down dims zigbee bulbs in overhead fixture (through HA, not actual dimming of the fixture)

yea thats why i loved these switches and bought some. I havent reinstalled my lutron switches and plan to sell them on ebay and transition to inovelli. They are cheaper and do way more and done need the lutron hub

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I just don't like the way you have to program tasmota if you want to get past anything very basic. It was fine at first for an analog LED strip and some Sonoffs, but once I wanted to use more pins on the boards, esphome was so much easier for me, it just feels more very straightforward.

gotcha. The hook up guay and Dr zzzs all promote tasmota but i have read that esphome is more customizable. I guess ill start with that. I only wanted to have to flash one firmware and do it to all my bulbs, sonoffs, and shellys at once.


guedeaux
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gotcha. The hook up guay and Dr zzzs all promote tasmota but i have read that esphome is more customizable. I guess ill start with that. I only wanted to have to flash one firmware and do it to all my bulbs, sonoffs, and shellys at once.


Its really easy to switch between tasmota and esphome once you get either firmware on the device since you can OTA between them. I haven't messed with flashing custom firmware on any bulbs yet. (I have run out of places to put smart bulbs and I have all z wave and zigbee.)

What are you doing with the sonoffs and shellys? I have one sonoff TH16 doing temperature-triggered fans for media cabinet, another measures temp/hum and powers my computer speakers, and the then about 12 or so custom-built D1 minis, nodemcus, and now a couple ESP32 boards. For the custom ones, tasmota sucked for me. ESPHome is so freaking easy, and WLED for LED strips is awesome.

I just got some RGBCW flood lights, and I'm probably going to start with Tasmota since there is a template available and then build something for ESPHome later. Apparently WLED doesn't yet work well with 5-channel LEDs. I eventually want E1.31 control to incorporate into light shows.


RickAstley
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re: Wink Moving to a Monthly Subscription UPDATE - Deadline Extended
The reaction to Wink's announcement is starting to heat up:

Wink accused of extortion as it says smart home products now need subscription


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Smart home company Wink has been accused of extortion by customers furious at an announcement that they will be forced to pay a monthly subscription else their existing products will cease to function.

Wink says any customers who don’t pay the $4.99/month subscription will no longer be able to access devices via the app, voice or API, and that automations will no longer work…


The company made the announcement in an innocuously-titled blog post, Introducing Wink Subscription.

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We have a lot of great ideas on how to expand on Wink’s capabilities and satisfy the many requests from our user base. In order to provide for development and continued growth, we are transitioning to a $4.99 monthly subscription, starting on May 13, 2020. This fee is designed to be as modest as possible. Your support will enable us to continue providing you with the functionality that you’ve come to rely on, and focus on accelerating new integrations and app features.

Should you choose not to sign up for a subscription you will no longer be able to access your Wink devices from the app, with voice control or through the API, and your automations will be disabled on May 13. Your device connections, settings and automations can be reactivated if you decide to subscribe at a later date.


The company says the move was forced on it as its existing business model is no longer viable.

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Since 2014, Wink has grown to support more than 4 million connected devices. During this time, Wink has relied solely on the one-time fee derived from hardware sales to cover ongoing cloud costs, development, and customer support. Providing users with local and remote access to their devices will always come at a cost for Wink, and over the years we have made great progress toward reducing these costs so that we can maintain that feature.

Wink has taken many steps in an effort to keep your Hub’s blue light on, however, long term costs and recent economic events have caused additional strain on our business.


Wink sells smart home hubs which control a wide range of third-party products. These include two starter kits for lighting and security, Wink Bright and Wink Lookout.

Wink owners on Reddit and Twitter are expressing their anger at the decision.

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7 days to pay the ransom or they kill our smart homes.

I hope they go down in flames now.

I already tossed mine in the trash. Even if you do get the subscription, the company will go bankrupt in a month and you will have junk anyway.

Lawsuit.

The worst part about this whole thing is how calculated the ambush is. Blindside attack. Turnabout would be: “Hey Wink, nice company you got there. Sure would be a shame if an angry customer launched a DDoS on you.”

Wow, the one week deadline is close to extortion.

Even if someone decides to bail can ya really switch over to another system in a week (given normal life constraints)? so most have no choice but to pay the ransom.

I have a feeling our $5 will pay off some of Will’s outstanding Wink debts and then the company will fold in less than 6 months. This reeks of Moviepass shenanigans.

Extortion is the correct word to be using here, let me know where to sign for class action suit.

This is pure extortion. If you don’t pay us in 1 week, you can’t use any of the lights in your house.


While this may be the only way the company can survive, the ridiculously short notice and largely unapologetic tone of the announcement isn’t going to win the company any friends.

Last summer, it was found that Wink accounts still had access to Nest cams after they had been reset and sold to new owners. The fault in that case, however, lay with Google.

Via Slashgear


CAD703X
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mctiger1985
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On a postive, got my relays running on smartthings

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CAD703X
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well thats the coolest damn thing ever.

what made you decide on ST vs hubitat?

my biggest gripe of hubitat is there's no wifi built into the hub and you have to bring it really close to pair some zwave devices due to the weak antenna like door locks and garage door openers. i think the issue is they have to be paired in 'secure mode' since these are considered more secure zwave devices than lights and it wont pair properly if you don't literally drape the hub over the doorknob when pairing.

but without wifi; you need a long arse ethernet cord. i'm going to try the powerline adapters i have which let you use a nearby plug as ethrenet and see if that works.

worried about my pool pump its literally mounted in the ground now so i can't move it to pair it; the hub will have to go all the awy to my poolhouse to pair it.


mchias1
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the hubitat won't pair through existing zwave devices?

i run zwave through a USB stick, but other than my initial device i haven't done any pairing by bringing it next to a device.

you should just have to put the hubitat in pairing mode, then toggle the new device you want to add.


CAD703X
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the hubitat won't pair through existing zwave devices?

no. repeaters/mesh only work once you've initially paired the device which has to be done via direct connection.

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i run zwave through a USB stick, but other than my initial device i haven't done any pairing by bringing it next to a device.


the lightswitches all over the house haven't been a problem; just door locks & garage door openers and the pool pump since its like 200' away from the house. apparently the security layer is the tricky part; i can only partially pair the locks without getting right next to it which allows me to see the device state but not initiate lock/unlock commands or change codes.

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CarRamrod
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Why don't you look into home assistant? Lots of stuff to learn but way more customizable than anything else


CarRamrod
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Don't know yet. But I love the idea of wiring the Shellys behind existing switch's and they still work.


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CAD703X
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whats the advantage of HA over hubitat?


guedeaux
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whats the advantage of HA over hubitat?


For one, with home assistant I dont have to move my hub to add devices LOL


mctiger1985
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I've had Smartthings for a while now, possibly before Hubitat was around. I looked into Hubitat the day Wink announced and they raised prices that same day from $99 to $130. If they go on sale again for around $70, I might make the jump. Hubitat has the same process to connect the relays as well.


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mchias1
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whats the advantage of HA over hubitat?


Really the only advantage of HA over hubitat is it's not controlled by a company. It's all open source software. The main creators actually are part of a company (I think Ubiquiti), but they are still independent. If they ever close, the community can keep it going.

Hubitat is nice that's its local and allow for user customization, but future software updates could always cease.

HomeAssistant is getting easier and easier to get up and running and start automations. Lately, they've been really focusing on making it simpler to use.

If you already have hubitat I would stick with it. From what I've seen the hubitat community has expanded it's capabilities. I'd suggest looking into MQTT with Hubitat CAD. Switching your pool pump to a wifi relay would help with the distance.



humblepie
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Luckily I am in a rental while building a new house right now so I only had a couple lamps/smart bulbs set up in wink. I deleted the app off our phones and packed the hub away.

Been thinking about going with HA so I guess that is what I will do. Our builder includes a smarthings hub and various smart switches, camera, doorbell, etc in every house so I will have to move that stuff over eventually.


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