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Need some input re: rate for some freelance front-end/data entry website work

Posted on 6/15/17 at 12:40 pm
Posted by Carson123987
Middle Court at the Rec
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Posted on 6/15/17 at 12:40 pm
Got asked to do a job for a local store that is putting their entire inventory onto an E-Commerce platform. He wants me to upload of all the product/images/information, write my own descriptions and tags, etc. No c/p from manufacturer sites - I have to write it all on my own.

Any idea what I should charge? I will likely be 1099. They said that instead of hourly, they considered paying me a lump sum per brand I finish based on number of SKUs. Probably 10s of 1000s of SKUs, so it's a lengthy project. Descriptions are specialized and technical - they will be the most time consuming thing

Any suggestions? Never done this type of work before, so I don't have a clue.
This post was edited on 6/15/17 at 1:00 pm
Posted by TAMU-93
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 6/15/17 at 1:50 pm to
I just finished a similar project.

Do some exploratory work up front. Upload a handful of items across several brands. Find out exactly what the platform will demand of you. How does the platform categorize items? Are there dependencies like: vendor specific pricing, customer specific pricing, etc? Once you feel comfortable with the process, you can extrapolate how long it will take to do thousands of items.

Outsource what you can. I hired virtual assistants from the Philippines through upwork.com to handle the busy work. They did stuff like data entry and social media posting.

You know it's going to be a lot of work. Plan on it being twice as much work as you think it will be.

This post was edited on 6/15/17 at 4:35 pm
Posted by jcole4lsu
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Posted on 6/15/17 at 4:07 pm to
No idea about the actual work, sounds like a mix of technical writing and marketing, def not my gig. I'll say this about the 1099 - be aware of the additional expenses you'll incur.
Once you have a reasonable estimate of the # of hours this will take, work out what $ would like to be paid as an hourly employee for the company. Then double it. Generally speaking, 1099s pay extra taxes, get no benefits, and only get paid via invoicing. All of this adds up to 1099 work being charged at a significantly higher rate than standard employees.
If you are going to do a lot of this work, look into setting up Carson Consulting LLC and bill the clients through the llc.
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 6/15/17 at 4:40 pm to
Bro. I think I can help you on this.

If you're interested, I have a very good friend who runs an outsourcing operation in the Philippines. These people do great work for very cheap.

If this is an easy job that is very repetitive, you could just check their work and make way more money per hour.

I can personally vouch for them. Text me if you want his e-mail.
Posted by TheWalrus
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Posted on 6/15/17 at 5:01 pm to
Specialized and technical descriptions do not sound like easy and repetitive work to me, but who knows?
Posted by jefforize
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Posted on 6/15/17 at 5:04 pm to
its not

I wouldn't even begin to consider this project for less than 10k
Posted by philabuck
NE Ohio
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Posted on 6/15/17 at 6:29 pm to
quote:

They said that instead of hourly, they considered paying me a lump sum per brand I finish based on number of SKUs.


Only one that comes out ahead on that is them.

Would this be your full time gig or on the side?
Posted by Carson123987
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Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 6/15/17 at 6:51 pm to
quote:

1099s pay extra taxes, get no benefits, and only get paid via invoicing. All of this adds up to 1099 work being charged at a significantly higher rate than standard employees.


yeah, i did some 1099 last year. i wrote off enough bullshite to make it a near non-issue. I ended up oversaving

quote:

If you are going to do a lot of this work, look into setting up Carson Consulting LLC and bill the clients through the llc.


if it takes as long as I think it will, this is what I will do
Posted by Carson123987
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Posted on 6/15/17 at 6:52 pm to
quote:

Only one that comes out ahead on that is them.


yes, the more I think about it, the more I dont like it

quote:

Would this be your full time gig or on the side?


i have a full time gig already. this would just be side cash to speed up the savings process for a house
This post was edited on 6/15/17 at 6:54 pm
Posted by el duderino III
People's Republic of Austin
Member since Jul 2011
2404 posts
Posted on 6/15/17 at 8:10 pm to
I'm a contract data analyst for an ecommerce company

This is going to take substantially more time than you think it is if you already have full time work. The only way I would even consider it would be to outsource all description writing, and finding people overseas and getting them trained to the level where you don't have to check all their work takes time. Descriptions for thousands of sku's is absurd - it's never done by the same person getting paid to handle a site platform or manage back end databases
Posted by Carson123987
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Posted on 6/15/17 at 8:59 pm to
I talked to him again, he said it's closer to 4000-5000 SKUs. Still a huge undertaking
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Posted on 6/15/17 at 9:10 pm to
Which ecommerce platform - Zoovy, Channel Advisor, Seller Active, something else?

Also, where are they selling? Amazon, eBay, Shopify, Jet, etc? Each one has its own set of general required fields and category-specific required fields.
Posted by Carson123987
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Posted on 6/15/17 at 9:12 pm to
Magento
Posted by Carson123987
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Posted on 6/16/17 at 8:16 pm to
Would $2 per SKU be fair? He said he just doesnt think hourly will work because some items i can just clone and knock out a ton at once (just changing 1 attribute)
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Posted on 6/16/17 at 8:42 pm to
quote:

Would $2 per SKU be fair?


Yes. That would actually be a good way to do it.

Does Magento take Excel uploads? If so that can be a yuuuuge timesaver. A lot of columns are the same the whole way down and others can be populated using formulas.

Be sure to set the inventory to a low initial number, like 5 or 10. That way you don't take a bath if there's a mistake.
Posted by TAMU-93
Sachse, TX
Member since Oct 2012
1073 posts
Posted on 6/17/17 at 11:58 am to
quote:

Would $2 per SKU be fair?


Paying you per SKU puts all the risk on you. He get's his 5000 SKUs for $10,000, regardless of how long it takes you. You have no idea how long it's going to take because you've never done it before. You're taking a huge risk getting paid per SKU.

quote:

He said he just doesnt think hourly will work because some items i can just clone and knock out a ton at once (just changing 1 attribute)


If you're charging by the hour and knock out a ton at once, you're saving him money. Why wouldn't that work for him?

I think you should do as JCole suggested. Ask for twice your full time job's hourly rate.

If he insists on a price per SKU, you need to get more that $2 per SKU. I'd ask for $5, estimating I could do 15 to 20 an hour.
Posted by philabuck
NE Ohio
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 6/17/17 at 8:13 pm to
quote:

He said he just doesnt think hourly will work because some items i can just clone and knock out a ton at once (just changing 1 attribute)


And my response would be if it's that easy why are you not doing it yourself?

I'd set up some sort of trial run at an hourly rate to see how long it would take and go from there.
Posted by Carson123987
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Member since Jul 2011
67308 posts
Posted on 6/17/17 at 8:18 pm to
quote:

I'd set up some sort of trial run at an hourly rate to see how long it would take and go from there.




I think that's what we're gonna do. Something like 300 SKUs so I can test the waters
Posted by Carson123987
Middle Court at the Rec
Member since Jul 2011
67308 posts
Posted on 6/19/17 at 10:53 pm to
I don't have the time to do this

I'll tell him I can help out with small jobs on a by-brand basis for store credit, but my full-time job just takes up too much of my time and I wouldn't be able to finish this by the time it needs to be done. Too much shite going on with my full time gig
This post was edited on 6/20/17 at 12:26 pm
Posted by el duderino III
People's Republic of Austin
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 6/23/17 at 8:39 pm to
I forgot about this thread.
quote:

Does Magento take Excel uploads?


Yes. I actually work a lot with magento if you'd like some help.

Estimating the average time per sku depends on a lot of other factors - the complexity/number of fields required per sku, the ratio of grouped sku's to simple sku's etc.

I would negotiate an hourly rate to do maybe 200 sku's as an exploratory stage and then negotiate from there. For reference, my rate is $50/hr, which is about average market rate for an e-commerce analyst. Even if he decides to go in another direction afterwards, that exploration should have value to him.
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