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re: General security camera discussion (was "Unifi Protect security cameras")

Posted on 11/27/24 at 11:21 am to
Posted by Lonnie Utah
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Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 11/27/24 at 11:21 am to
We're traveling east for Christmas and I'm going to visit my elderly parents. While I'm there, I'm going to replace the ANCIENT security cams at their house. They currently have 1 camera that I'm pretty sure is standard definition or less. They used to have two, but the power supply they had for the radio camera died, and nobody makes a replacement (it's like 50v dc and a propriety connector.) Their house is 3 stores (2 above ground and a walk out basement.) and about 5,000+ sq. ft. They have mesh wifi, but I don't know how fast their internet connection is. They would say they live "back in the woods" but in reality it's a sparsely populated wooded neighborhood.

Since I'm familiar with them I was going to get them a reolink system. My problem is what to buy. I need/would like to cover 4 doors and the driveway. I know that I'm going to need to incorporate wireless cameras at multiple locations. I have access to 1 "closet" where the existing camera is mounted. (It covers the driveway). I would use the existing wires for that one to pull new ones. I should have access to 120v power at several of the locations.

Here are the two setup's I'm considering.

From a pure bang for the buck perspective, I don't think I could go wrong with this option. REOLINK 5MP Wireless Security Camera System,. I has three downsides that I see.

1). It does not have POE if I wanted to add any POE cameras.
2). It only has a 1 Tb HDD
3). I'd like to add a tracking camera for their driveway.

I'm not sure how big of a disadvantage #2 is because I have an older reolink NVR with a 1 TB HDD in it. I could easily swap that out and double their storage for the cost of my time.

My other option would be to buy their 8 channel NVR with POE and add the wireless cameras on my own. This option would run me about $200 more. This would add more storage without having to crack open the NVR case and built in POE. But I can't really add any POE cameras anyway because of the layout of their house.

Technically there's an option 3 which is buy the cameras wireless cameras individually, put SD cards in them and run the whole thing off the reolink client on a computer. But that's a little clunky and I don't want to overcomplicate things.

I'm leaning heavily towards option 1, because POE injectors and/or switches are less than the $200 it would cost me to build a built in POE system on my own. Is there a flaw in that logic? Am I missing something?

Thx,
L

ps This thread had fallen to page 6 and need a bump anyway....
This post was edited on 11/27/24 at 11:22 am
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 1/27/25 at 2:53 pm to
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If the rumors are correct, and I think and hope they are, the AI Key would be a device dedicated to processing video streams and generating events. That would allow any camera that puts out a basic RTSP stream to be used with Protect, complete with their UI for configuring motion and AI events. It could also upgrade your old G3/4/5 Ubiquiti cameras to add AI capabilities like license plate and face detections like the AI series of cameras.
So it turns out the AI Port is the device that does this. The AI Key...
quote:

Additional AI processing also opens the door to more advanced analytics that are offered by some of the enterprise VMS players.
... does some of that.

In my understanding, the AI Key only works with AI detections from other devices. So if you have G4/G5 cameras, or other cameras paired with an AI Port, those detection events can be passed to an AI Key for further analysis. It adds things like natural language search ("blue toyota" or "man carrying bag"), speech to text, and other stuff. Pretty cool.
Posted by Azazello
Member since Sep 2011
3212 posts
Posted on 2/2/25 at 7:45 am to
I'm officially scrapping my lorex system. Had it for 4 years and I'm on my 3rd NVR, which just died. Not to mention the app sucks (hasn't been updated... ever) and newer cameras on the market are way better + cheaper.

Looking for something to integrate with HA, so starting with Reolink.

Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
28909 posts
Posted on 2/2/25 at 8:33 am to
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I'm officially scrapping my lorex system.


Hopefully, you can reuse your cables?
Posted by Azazello
Member since Sep 2011
3212 posts
Posted on 2/2/25 at 12:30 pm to
Yes. Old system was PoE so I am just swapping cameras and the NVR.
Posted by Dallaswho
Texas
Member since Dec 2023
2449 posts
Posted on 2/2/25 at 4:02 pm to
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Looking for something to integrate with HA, so starting with Reolink.
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I'm officially scrapping my lorex system.


I’m using Frigate and leave my old DVR/NVR powered up just to encode analog and pass rtsp streams to go2rtc. I’ll upgrade slowly. No point in scrapping a working system as not all areas need super high res unless you’re doing some serious secondary image classification.
I have my little NUC8i5 maxed out with 5x 1080p and 320x320 yolo-nas-m fp16 on openVino. Works perfectly though.
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
28909 posts
Posted on 2/3/25 at 3:29 pm to
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Yes. Old system was PoE so I am just swapping cameras and the NVR.


Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28996 posts
Posted on 3/24/25 at 11:22 am to
G6 cameras are out, 4K res plus face and plate recognition at the $200 mark.
Posted by Motorboat
At the camp
Member since Oct 2007
23368 posts
Posted on 3/27/25 at 12:53 pm to
So what brands?
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28996 posts
Posted on 3/27/25 at 1:48 pm to
My post you replied to specifically references Ubiquiti cameras.

If you're asking in general, personally Ubiquiti has long been my top pick for residential and small business. The ease of use blows everything else away. And lately they have been adding features at a high rate, features that have Protect competing with enterprise-grade systems that cost thousands for the software alone.

They seem to be addressing every shortcoming and criticism that users throw at them. They've added support for ONVIF cameras. They've greatly expanded the camera selection. They've offered a cheaper PTZ and cheaper 4K cams. Their new alarm manager which replaces the old notification system was kind of shite at first, but it has evolved rapidly into IMO the best notification system I've used. I have extremely fine-grained control over exactly what type of events (or combination of events) trigger an alarm, and whether each alarm triggers a standard notification, or hits a webhook (and from there I can integrate Protect with anything else), or both.

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