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Posted on 3/17/21 at 11:51 am to
Posted by Marco Esquandolas
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Posted on 3/17/21 at 11:51 am to
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and refined where the Polk S20 is more powerful.



Speakers don’t have power...amplifiers do.

The Polks are 89dB efficient at 8 ohms...the ELAC at 88dB efficient at 6 ohms....although minimal, the ELAC will produce a slightly louder signal given the same amount of power (around +1 dB real world).

BTW...smaller bookshelf type speakers usually require more power than larger floor-standers to achieve the same sound pressure level.

I sometimes run my ELAC using 600w mono-bloc amplifiers...and they will take an amazing amount of power if I want to drive them hard.


FWIW
Posted by SoDakHawk
South Dakota
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 3/17/21 at 1:13 pm to
So because the ELAC B6 run at 6 ohms and the Polk S20 run at 8 ohms at the same power level from the amp the ELAC will produce more? Why is it every review I've come across says the Polk will produce big sound and deeper bass to the point I may not need a sub? The Polk is rated from 39 Hz to 40kHz. Lower lows and higher highs than the ELACs. So I'm thinking the Polk has much better range and would be a more all around speaker. Or should I have some doubt in those ratings? I realize these are manufacturer specs and the real world is different.

I came across the Polk's at $200 before lunch and was like, I'll think it over during lunch. Came back and they were gone already. Oh well, snoozed and lost. But maybe avoided a mistake and will end up getting the ELACs.

Looking over the specs again, the ELACs should pair up better with the receiver I'm getting at 6 ohms.

ETA: you can put 600 watts through a speaker that's only rated for 120 watts? Am I misunderstanding?
This post was edited on 3/17/21 at 1:27 pm
Posted by bluebarracuda
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 3/17/21 at 1:46 pm to
Marcos has more knowledge on sound systems then everyone on this board combined.

I would take his word
Posted by Marco Esquandolas
Member since Jul 2013
11591 posts
Posted on 3/17/21 at 2:02 pm to
You need to understand the relationship between wattage, resistance, and voltage.

Also...I said the difference was minimal...about 1dB.

And as far as going deeper, unless you know the rolloff slope (-6, -12, -18, -24dB/octave), you can’t determine from just looking at a spec sheet. It’s kinda like saying the Camaro with 450 hp is faster than a 911 Carrera S because it has 30 more horsepower.


Regarding speakers and loudness, THIS Music Board post I made a while back may help.


When you speak of reviews, where are you seeing the reviews? If they are Amazon, remember that 90% of the population is stupid...so don’t read Amazon reviews....for anything!




Posted by SoDakHawk
South Dakota
Member since Jun 2014
9562 posts
Posted on 3/17/21 at 2:10 pm to
I've been watching cheapaudioman on YouTube. He loves the ELAC B6, raved about them as mind changing. He also loved the Polk S20 enough that he switched over to them. That tells me a lot. Plus he had been bashing the Polk T15 and S15 but the S20 won him over. I find his reviews humorous and helpful to a novice like me.

LINK

Bottom line is I just want something that can pump out rock and roll given the receiver I have. What worries me about the ELAC is that they are 6 ohms and would take more power to drive. I'll now read the link you provided.

ETA:. That was a great post you linked. So, if I understand this correctly, the fact the ELAC is a 6 ohm speaker is a benefit and makes it easier to drive without damaging the amp and actually provides extra dB over a speaker with an 8 ohm rating. Hence, the ELAC will kick out more sound with less strain at the same power level from the receiver.
This post was edited on 3/17/21 at 2:26 pm
Posted by Marco Esquandolas
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 3/17/21 at 2:29 pm to
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What worries me about the ELAC is that they are 6 ohms and would take more power to drive.



Nope...That’s now haw that works.




Posted by SoDakHawk
South Dakota
Member since Jun 2014
9562 posts
Posted on 3/17/21 at 2:33 pm to
I had added to my post. Am I on the right track now?
Posted by Marco Esquandolas
Member since Jul 2013
11591 posts
Posted on 3/17/21 at 2:48 pm to
Resistance is not static...it is an ever fluctuating measurement of load that a motor (speaker) presents to a force (amp)...it changes thousands of times per second. The measurement given in the spec is nominal. Amplifier topology also plays a big role in how resistance is affected. There is not a 2+2=4 simple equation that you plug numbers into to tell a speaker or amps behavior. There are a shitload of variables (frequency, roll off, cabinet resonant frequency, how it was measured, amp topology, amp current output, length of cables, damping factors, type of magnets used...)—and that is just a few!

You are reading a couple specs without a knowledge of electrical current and its relationship converting to conversion to mechanical waves, thus rendering those specs useless (to you).

See the car analogy above.
Posted by SoDakHawk
South Dakota
Member since Jun 2014
9562 posts
Posted on 3/17/21 at 3:13 pm to
I think the more I think about this the more confused I am getting.

So you're telling me the ELACs are on another level from the Polk S20s. Quit thinking about it and buy the ELACs, it'll be fine.
This post was edited on 3/17/21 at 3:17 pm
Posted by SoDakHawk
South Dakota
Member since Jun 2014
9562 posts
Posted on 3/18/21 at 6:32 pm to
Update - ordered them both and will be here next week. I'll do a sound-off then and I'll post the results.

Thank you all for your input.
Posted by SoDakHawk
South Dakota
Member since Jun 2014
9562 posts
Posted on 4/1/21 at 8:42 pm to
Just to update. I ended up going with the Polk S20's. It was a tough choice. The Polks just did it for me. I'm in a garage, so not the best acoustics so I think the detail of the ELAC B6s were lost on me.

The Polks can fricking rock and the bass is good enough a sub isn't necessary out here. They excelled during the canon shots during the 1812 Overture, the low bass of the Beastie Boys Intergalactic, and these Polks love Black Sabbath, and so do I.

Anyway, I think things like these come down to personal tastes, like food or music. I'm satisfied so that's all that matters.

Thanks to you guys for all your help and insight. Appreciate it.
Posted by VABuckeye
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Posted on 4/1/21 at 8:45 pm to
You're happy and that is what matters. Speakers are highly subjective.
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 4/1/21 at 9:47 pm to
quote:

I'm satisfied so that's all that matters.



That’s the answer. Awesome that you found something you like!
Posted by SoDakHawk
South Dakota
Member since Jun 2014
9562 posts
Posted on 9/22/21 at 8:47 pm to
Bumping this thread up. So after now having this stereo setup for almost 6 months I have to say I love these speakers more everyday.

I'm sitting out here having a beer watching the Cubs v Twins game and I got the stereo going. Just chilling. I am hearing songs I've known half or all my life in completely new ways. Picking things up I'd never heard before. Much more detail, depth, separation.

Listening to Sabbath Bloody Sabbath - Black Sabbath just now was like, oh my God. Not even blasting it either, just a normal listening volume, so it's not power just blowing your mind out, though these can do that too.

Anyways, just thought of this thread. I'm also thinking of setting up a system in my home office since I permanently work from home now. Those ELACs are at the top of the list, just for something different, plus the Polks are pretty large.
Posted by TheOcean
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 9/23/21 at 6:29 am to
marco -- was able to snag those ELACs for $220 last night on Amazon. What do you recommend amp wise for my home gym (garage)?
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
15388 posts
Posted on 9/23/21 at 9:46 am to
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ELACs for $220 last night on Amazon. What do you recommend amp wise


Dayton APA150 is a great little amp. I added this as a center amp (mono), and it loves the power. Sound just “dances” off the speaker now. Wife even loves it and was happy for the upgrade. If you’re considering something better than most receivers but “down there” in price, this should be on the list.
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