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Custom DIY Sub(s) Build

Posted on 8/23/19 at 10:22 am
Posted by GeauxldMember
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 8/23/19 at 10:22 am
I’ll apologize in advance for the wall of text.

I’ve been renovating my home over the last year, and have decided to make some changes to the primary place we watch TV. The new spot will be a small family room (15 x 13), fully open on one side to the dining/kitchen area. I will be doing a wall of built-ins on the 15’ wall opposite the “back” wall, which will basically be end-to-end seating.

The biggest obstacle will be that I won’t have a space to discreetly place my large SVS 16” sub, and I can’t afford a divorce after the renovation.

My very tentative solution is to build 4 custom, un-ported boxes (approximately 30x14x9 each) for separate 12s, that will be placed nearfield, behind the seating, and recessed between stud cavities. They will finish with a slight projection on each side of the stud wall (masked by the sectional on one side and by closet cabinetry on the other).

I was hoping for some feedback and possibly help on the design of these subs, the components, what to push them with, and how to EQ them, if necessary. Other than the space constraints and being pretty limited to the placement behind the seating, everything else is negotiable.

The usage split is probably 70/30 music to movies/TV, so I’m willing to sacrifice not having subs that can handle 10 Hz at 180 Dbs for great music and very good, tactile lows on the home theater side.

Any thoughts?
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 8/23/19 at 10:46 am to
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4 custom, un-ported boxes (approximately 30x14x9 each) for separate 12s


I can't help you, but wanted to say

Are the boxes going to be built into the wall? If so, I'd be nervous about accessibility if something were to happen (one would blow, wire come off, etc).

Posted by GeauxldMember
Member since Nov 2003
4377 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 11:13 am to
They will be built into the wall (shimmed and screwed to the studs from inside the box). My thought was, since the front panels will be hidden by the couch, I can simply use some silicone to seal them, and leave the screws exposed, so it would be as easy as removing the front panel and scraping off the silicone if something major happened. In the event one blew, they’ll be front mounted, so that’s a simple replacement, though I’d be deaf.
Posted by VABuckeye
Naples, FL
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 8/23/19 at 4:43 pm to
You need to tighten things down that you won't even think of tightening down. There's going to be rattle.

There are some companies that make pretty darned good in-wall subs. Triad comes to mind. They aren't cheap but they are enclosures that are built to go into standard stud bays.
Posted by NOLAGT
Over there
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 8/23/19 at 11:00 pm to
I may have an idea or two













I don’t know if I follow exactly how you plan to do the sub mounting. How much room can you get between the sofa and the wall?

For your front book case of you want a projector you can make it so it tucks away. I will get a motorized one soon with enough black on top so when the screen is up you don’t see it.

I have def tec inwalls LCR and front heights mounted in the cabinet.

Power the subs with a 4kw speakerpower plate amp (no fans so no noise since it’s close by)

You can use your built in tuning program in your receiver of choice. If you want more real tuning look at a program called R.E.W., a device called a hd mini dsp and a mic. There will be some reading and learning to do but it’s supposed to be worth it. I have not got to that point yet.

My subs are Dayton audio 18s from parts express. So are the boxes. I’m about to turn that into a bench seat...and it’s going to be fun for the ladies to sit on

So far with a rat shack all meter and one bass song I decided to try out I hit 126db. Not bad considering how much open space it fills. Room it’s in is 22’x21’x12’ and 2 walls are pretty much completely open to kitchen dining and so on.

Nearfield subs give you an amazing tactile experience! I would see how much space you need and put the biggest subs you can.
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
31055 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 11:20 pm to
Holy shite, those DIY 18s are only 450 per? That's crazy.
Posted by Brisketeer
Texas
Member since Aug 2013
1432 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 11:34 pm to
Did you custom build the entertainment center/bookshelves? That’s gorgeous and the in-wall speakers are super stealthy.
Posted by NOLAGT
Over there
Member since Dec 2012
13501 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 11:37 pm to
Wow really they went up i paid like $260 ea but they were on sale. Maybe around Black Friday cyber Monday kinda thing. EDIT are you talking about with the box too? Lol

I wish I built it myself I probably would have saved a bunch lol. I had it custom built and helped design it so I spots for speakers and wires to pass. They brought it in in nine pieces and assembled it in the house attached to the wall. For size reference that is a 120” screen.

I did install the lights. Philips hue light strips fyw. I wish I thought to have the route out a channel for the strips to recess into and that would make a slit for it to pass the solid shelf at the bottom of the upper cabinets. It sucked to drill that out, with nails in the way, trying to get as close to the corner as possible. Still have to do the lights in the middle section and fix up the top with a extension wire so I can reach the outer two book shelves and add another short strip to the exhausting one in the middle up top.

Camera isn’t picking up the yellow well but

This post was edited on 8/23/19 at 11:49 pm
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
31055 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 11:48 pm to
That's a stellar setup. Well done sir. Next time (also first time) I'm in baton rouge I'm swinging by and we're watching top gun.
Posted by NOLAGT
Over there
Member since Dec 2012
13501 posts
Posted on 8/23/19 at 11:49 pm to
You can probably hear it from BR....but I’m in laffy
Posted by GeauxldMember
Member since Nov 2003
4377 posts
Posted on 8/24/19 at 9:16 am to
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NOLAGT




Some good info there.

quote:

I don’t know if I follow exactly how you plan to do the sub mounting. How much room can you get between the sofa and the wall?


They’d roughly be something like this:



Part of the problem is I can’t/don’t want to pull the couch very far off the wall because of the size of the room.

Essentially, what I plan to do is build about 30” tall sealed boxes that are only 8-9” deep. They would be just wide enough (14-3/8-ish”) to slide between stud bays and be shimmed and fastened do the studs with screws to secure them. They will project from the wall only 2 inches or so on either side of the wall, and the drywall will be finished to them. For access, I’d have to remove the front panel, but speakons or binding posts will be up front for access (wire can be hidden behind sectional).

I already have 4 12” JBLs in my possession, and with the size constraints of the box, I figure 12s are my best bet anyway. Tentative plan is to bridge them to an external amp. If memory serves, the JBLs are rated for 300/1000.

Posted by NOLAGT
Over there
Member since Dec 2012
13501 posts
Posted on 8/24/19 at 9:35 am to
Ahh that should work...I thought you were trying to attach the subs to the studs and use....ahh never mind not important lol. All you need is about 1” being the sub and then proper airspace.

What JBLs? I have a few of those too Best Buy has them on sale 129 down to 29 so I got 16 of them for I think those only need a cube or so of airspace. If it is the same ones you definitely want to get that mini dsp and boost the low end. I have 8 way underpowered in my garage.

Posted by GeauxldMember
Member since Nov 2003
4377 posts
Posted on 8/24/19 at 9:53 am to
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What JBLs? I have a few of those too Best Buy has them on sale 129 down to 29 so I got 16 of them for


That’s them! I couldn’t pass them up for $29!

How do you think 4 of them bridged to about 2K of power in 1700 cubic feet would sound? I don’t plan on having any other subs in the room, and the rest will be blended with bookshelf speakers and some in ceiling rear surrounds.

I’m not familiar with the DSP and testing programs, but I’m sure they’re easy enough to figure out. I suppose the easiest route is to power them with an amp with an internal eq to boost them down low. Any suggestions there?

Posted by NOLAGT
Over there
Member since Dec 2012
13501 posts
Posted on 8/24/19 at 11:00 am to
Yea I couldnt pass up that deal...I had 2 old SVS tubes in my garage but I replaced them anyway with these. They dont go as low but hit harder. On avsforum they said they have a higher native freq but you can boost them down low a lot. They claim 4 of those 12s is equal or a tad better than one of those 18s.

Since once you build that box you are stuck with it I would make it a little flexable with other 12s if you can just in case it doesn't scratch your itch. You can always fill room in the box to reduce the airspace if its too big for the JBLs.

If you look on avsfoum and look for those parts there is a bunch of info...almost too much lol. But theres a thread that once you figure out REW and have the equip you can post graphs and get help on the tuning part. I havent got to that point.

I think 4 12s behind the sofa would be great. The good thing about near field is you get major headroom. I have to almost turn the volume knob on my plate amp off to get it where it needs to be to run the audio setup on my denon. You dont get the room gain if they were else-ware but if thats your only spot its not a bad one.

You can do a little tuning with a built in on a amp but that mini dsp is massively more adjustable. You use REW to run sweeps and see your freq response at your MLP and then you have a ton of adjustments in that DSP to flatten it out. You can lower spikes but cant really raise a void. I have some gaps in my sweep I can hear that I may have to live with. Also I may stick another 18 in that cabinet but because theres a spot that I think it will help my dip at the MLP. You can always add the DSP as well and use what you have at first.

Plus you get the impact of the subs that adds a ton of fun.

This post was edited on 8/24/19 at 11:06 am
Posted by GeauxldMember
Member since Nov 2003
4377 posts
Posted on 8/24/19 at 3:22 pm to
That’s more great info, thanks. Now that I read a little more on the DSP, the lightbulb went off, and I remember reading about some amps with built in DSP feature, which is what I was talking about for making the adjustments (I’m just not up on all the terminology).

I’ll try to squeeze as much space into each box as a can, just in case I want to expand, but I’d more likely replace the JBLs with better subs down the road if I wasn’t pleased with the output.

You also addressed one of my concerns: with that much power and that much sub surface volume behind the seating, was I going to have trouble blending them with the higher frequency stuff. But I’d rather have a ton of power and turn it down to almost nothing than the opposite problem. I assume you’re powering all your front/center/surround with only your AVR?
Posted by kengel2
Team Gun
Member since Mar 2004
30690 posts
Posted on 8/24/19 at 4:33 pm to
Those subs are on sale right now?
Posted by SATNIGHTS
Red Stick
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 8/24/19 at 6:34 pm to
Looks like $64 now.
Posted by NOLAGT
Over there
Member since Dec 2012
13501 posts
Posted on 8/24/19 at 11:20 pm to
Yea DSP is for Digital Signal Processing...the box I’m talking about happens to be called a mini dsp. There are amps and avr’s That have some built in. It just all depends on what your equipment can do and if you want more tweaking.

That’s what I was referring to if you wanted to replace them down the line. Like make the box as deep as space allows Incase a better sub you buy is deeper. And you can add cut 2x4 to take up airspace if the box is way too big. I’d think 1-1.5cft would be good for most any 12 you would use but I’m not positive on that.

When you run your AVRs setup (what ever it’s called depending on what avr it is) it will blend all the levels together. Get a digital radio shack SPL meter (shite....are there any still open lol) and you can measure in the MLP after and tweak if you need. With the subs close you may end up with a lot of headroom and that’s ok. I’m a bass head so I run them hot (5-10db over reference) but my Def tecs can keep up.

I have a Denon 5200x and FHA’s running the 9 speakers LCR, front height LR, L/R surround on the side of the MLP and LR rear surround behind the MLP. Sub output to the plate amp via a SVS wireless setup because my electricians were stupid and couldn’t follow simple instructions to run a empty conduit in the slab.


Not sure Ken I got the JBLs and the Dayton’s around the same time last year around Black Friday.
This post was edited on 8/24/19 at 11:23 pm
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