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re: Autonomous cars
Posted on 4/5/19 at 9:18 pm to Jack Bauers HnK
Posted on 4/5/19 at 9:18 pm to Jack Bauers HnK
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People are dying every day on the road right now. Autonomous cars don’t need to achieve perfection and zero injuries, they just need to beat the low bar set by human drivers already.
It's insane to me that people feel safer driving on roads with people behind the wheel:
80-year-old grandma
16-year-old kids texting (Hell, half the population or more texts and drives)
Drunk assholes
This post was edited on 4/5/19 at 9:18 pm
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Posted on 4/5/19 at 9:56 pm to OvertheDwayneBowe
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It's insane to me that people feel safer driving on roads with people behind the wheel:
I'm good with everyone else having to use them. Just not me.
Posted on 4/5/19 at 10:31 pm to Korkstand
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The technology for 100% autonomous cars on the roads exists.
Happy path testing in tech-friendly hubs isn't going to cut it. Get it going in Alaska or Delacroix consistently with zero internet connectivity, relying only on computer vision, and there might be a case.
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The same planet where we already have anonymous payment systems, anonymous web browsing methods, anonymous anything
If it's on the internet, it's never truly private; there's always some sort of breadcrumb to follow.
Besides that, there's stories of security researchers accessing the OBD system of connected cars; doesn't give me warm and fuzzies about security.
Posted on 4/6/19 at 1:13 am to GetMeOutOfHere
quote:The primary use case for autonomous cars is heavily-trafficked areas where most vehicles drive the same routes every day, or where the same partial routes are shared by many thousands of cars per day. This easily covers 95% of vehicle miles driven. My apologies for overstating a bit and saying 100%.
Happy path testing in tech-friendly hubs isn't going to cut it. Get it going in Alaska or Delacroix consistently with zero internet connectivity, relying only on computer vision, and there might be a case.
However, I am somewhat certain that even the toughest of routes can be tackled with today's tech. It might require more cameras and other sensors, and more processing power, and slower speed limits, and higher decision certainty thresholds, but it can be done. It just likely isn't cost-effective to make all vehicles that capable (or that slow).
quote:How does this at all counter my point that autonomous cars have the potential to be MORE private than driving yourself around? You can hide the payment source, it's not your car, you can ride in the back seat and hide your face from traffic cams, and there's no driver to recognize you.
If it's on the internet, it's never truly private; there's always some sort of breadcrumb to follow.
quote:That's a different problem.
Besides that, there's stories of security researchers accessing the OBD system of connected cars; doesn't give me warm and fuzzies about security.
Posted on 4/7/19 at 2:28 pm to awestruck
You realize more people die on the interstate every year than in the whole civil war combined?
ETA facts. More die every year than all US conflicts COMBINED throughout history. Every. Year.
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Nearly 1.3 million people die in road crashes each year, on average 3,287 deaths a day. An additional 20-50 million are injured or disabled. More than half of all road traffic deaths occur among young adults ages 15-44.
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Roughly 1,264,000 American soldiers have died in the nation's wars--620,000 in the Civil War and 644,000 in all other conflicts. It was only as recently as the Vietnam War that the amount of American deaths in foreign wars eclipsed the number who died in the Civil War.
ETA facts. More die every year than all US conflicts COMBINED throughout history. Every. Year.
This post was edited on 4/7/19 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 4/7/19 at 2:41 pm to DrewSimp82
Now you wonder is us govt going to worry about population control if 1.25 M people aren’t dying and another 50 million aren’t disabled every year on the roads
Posted on 4/7/19 at 4:09 pm to Ace Midnight
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Lots of folks in the NE corridor do. Traffic and commuting are nightmares for them.
Chicago is awful.
10 in Los Angeles is awful.
I took northwestern rr from North suburb 47 miles to Chicago. Still had a good hike to Michigan Ave to work. Car several miles to/from rr station.
Just hop in. Car drives you.
Posted on 4/7/19 at 4:25 pm to Jack Bauers HnK
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People are dying every day on the road right now. Autonomous cars don’t need to achieve perfection and zero injuries, they just need to beat the low bar set by human drivers already.
From Automotive News, which the the main trade journal for the Auto Indutry. These are the people who would make the Autonomous vehicles:
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What's the acceptable death rate for autonomous cars?
(Ricardo Martinez is an assistant professor of emergency medicine at Emory School of Medicine. He was administrator of NHTSA from 1994 to 1999.)
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Many participants in the race to develop autonomous cars have little to no long-term experience or knowledge of the complexities of driving, traffic safety issues or how safety progress has evolved in the transportation sector. There is no shared safety principle guiding the design and testing of autonomous cars. Tesla chastised the media for focusing on the death of a customer whose vehicle's Autopilot software failed, noting that people die in car crashes every day. Yes, people do, but that shouldn't be an excuse to kill more.
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Automakers and suppliers have a wealth of experience and knowledge based on billions of miles driven, hundreds of millions of cars built and reams of data compiled from vehicle crash tests, consumer and dealer feedback, crash investigations and safety recalls. The basic premise is to test and ensure the safety of vehicle designs before you place them into the marketplace. That's why automotive test labs and proving grounds exist.
quote:State governments, tech companies and car manufacturers are rushing forward to be first to market, leaving safety last. Autonomous vehicles will have to be tested in our streets to truly learn and improve, but that step should occur after passing sequential safety milestones, not before. Simply using our communities as the testing grounds, and our families and children as the crash-test dummies, is not only wrong, it's nuts.
[b]The race to bring autonomous cars to market has turned this process upside down.
This post was edited on 4/7/19 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 4/9/19 at 1:50 pm to Dr.Funke
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Seems like we are so close but still so far away. I'm waiting on my model 3 to update so I can play around with the advanced summon features. There have been some pretty cool videos posted showcasing what it's doing now.
I was wondering the other day about something as simple as pizza delivery. I'm assuming that in my lifetime a oven will load a pizza in some kind of autonomous vehicle that will drive it to my house. I'm just wondering how many years away we are from that.
Posted on 4/10/19 at 1:48 pm to DrewSimp82
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Nearly 1.3 million people die in road crashes each year, on average 3,287 deaths a day. An additional 20-50 million are injured or disabled. More than half of all road traffic deaths occur among young adults ages 15-44.
That 1.3 million is world wide. The US # is 37,000.
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