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re: 3D printer. Ender 5 pro or something else?

Posted on 6/5/20 at 8:32 pm to
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
58360 posts
Posted on 6/5/20 at 8:32 pm to
Gotcha. I have a cheap glass bed I'm still finding isn't as flat as it should be. Once I get the first layer or so down I'm good but it is a chore to get that first layer.
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
58360 posts
Posted on 6/7/20 at 6:54 pm to
well i think i fixed my problem. with a nor so flat heated bed i wasnt able to get my surface flat. I was able to get some decent prints in certain areas of the bed but any think larger i would lose bed adhesion and mess the whole thing up.

So i took the time to take a straight edge and mark all the low spots then place painters tape where the low spots occur. after a few iterations i was able to get the bed flat. I did multiple prints of the "Ender 3 bed leveling 5/9 point procedure" and was able to level out the bed. im into my 2nd print and everything is looking great. If you have this issue i would take the time to do it. I wish i would have done it sooner.
Posted by mohalk
Member since Feb 2009
385 posts
Posted on 6/7/20 at 7:57 pm to
I had an Ender 3 for a few months. I had a product to print and sell and it did pretty good printing about 50 parts (400 hours), then it gradually started shitting the bed. The extruder would slip and the head would clog all the time, and it would randomly fill the display with Chinese symbols or flash “thermal runaway”.

I replaced and upgraded too many parts to count before it wasn’t worth it anymore. Made decent money with it, but you get what you pay for with these. If I did it again, I would get a Prusa or Dremel.
Posted by Fat Batman
Gotham City, NJ
Member since Oct 2019
1608 posts
Posted on 6/7/20 at 8:29 pm to
Ehh that's really your fault for expecting production capabilities from one of the cheapest hobby 3D printers on the market.
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
58360 posts
Posted on 6/8/20 at 7:05 am to
For real......I didn't get this printer to work flawless out of the box and expect it can be a production printer. That's kinda retarded for my 350 dollars printer much less his 189 printer.
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
58360 posts
Posted on 6/8/20 at 11:35 am to
Man, my black PLA is printing GOOD now....how much different will different colors/brands be? i know there are differences but like HOW different.

Also i tried moving to PETG last night and man that was a failure. found some setting people have had success with and while i got the bottom layer down, about 20 mins into the print it was under extruding bad. the extruder would bind the filament. I probably should have done that so late. Ill have to set aside a few hours to test print a bunch of setting to tune it like i did with my PLA.

Have yall had success with PETG on the Ender?
Posted by Fat Batman
Gotham City, NJ
Member since Oct 2019
1608 posts
Posted on 6/8/20 at 12:24 pm to
I've only been printing with the black Overture PLA I got from Amazon and some orange eSun PLA+. The only thing I changed between the 2 was make the nozzle temp higher for the PLA+ per the temps listed on the roll. So far results have been great. Still need to fine tune somethings and get the BLTouch to probe faster (takes like 8 min to probe), but it's nice not having to frick with the bed at all. I haven't tried PETG or ABS yet.
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
58360 posts
Posted on 6/8/20 at 12:58 pm to
yea i have my BLtouch coming in this week.


So i have a question. Right now i leveled my bed and nozzle for PLA where my gcode has a 0.0 z offset. Did i do that wrong? Should i 0 out my z offset to be 0 when the nozzle is touching my bare board? then edit my z offset to match the bed type(magnetic vs glass) plus the proper gap between the nozzle and bed for the appropriate filament?
This post was edited on 6/8/20 at 1:03 pm
Posted by Fat Batman
Gotham City, NJ
Member since Oct 2019
1608 posts
Posted on 6/8/20 at 2:26 pm to
Z0 is if the nozzle was touching the bed. The offset is where it is going to lay the plastic. Usually the bed (the surface you are actually going to print on) is leveled with some kind of gap (paper, card, etc.) and then users adjust the z-offset during print using the knobs under the bed until the desired squish is achieved.

The BLTouch makes this process pretty easy as you only calculate the difference between the probe tip and nozzle tip once, start a print, double click the knob under the LCD and fine tune the z-offset until you get the right squish.
This post was edited on 6/8/20 at 2:29 pm
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
58360 posts
Posted on 6/8/20 at 2:33 pm to
right. so do i need to go back and set z to 0 and put the printer bed there. then add in the z offset for my printer and bed? because i moved my set screw all over.
Posted by Fat Batman
Gotham City, NJ
Member since Oct 2019
1608 posts
Posted on 6/8/20 at 2:40 pm to
Yeah if you have a z-stop you should put the bed where that is at 0 since the bed can't go any lower than the stop. So, when you machine homes it is at Z0. Now, I wouldn't put the bed where it is touching the nozzle, but the height where I want my first layer to go down. So, home the machine to where everything is 0, bring the bed up to the height you want it to start printing. This is your Z0.
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
58360 posts
Posted on 6/8/20 at 3:58 pm to
gotcha, shouldnt be too difficult. my bed is level just need to zero the nozzle then set the offsets for the specific profiles
Posted by Fat Batman
Gotham City, NJ
Member since Oct 2019
1608 posts
Posted on 6/8/20 at 8:26 pm to
I also find, with PLA at least, it helps to not run the fan on the first layer and start the fan on the second layer.
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
58360 posts
Posted on 6/8/20 at 9:31 pm to
Yep.
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
58360 posts
Posted on 6/9/20 at 8:46 am to
let me make sure im understanding. So when i click auto home... the bed goes down, the nozzle goes to X0, then Y0, then the the bed starts raising it will click the switch twice to be at zero. That should be at B right? any worry about the nozzle sitting directly on the glass?

Posted by Fat Batman
Gotham City, NJ
Member since Oct 2019
1608 posts
Posted on 6/9/20 at 9:07 am to
That's right. I wouldn't have it actually touch the glass or whatever surface you are printing on when you home as there is no real benefit to the machine knowing precisely where the nozzle touches the surface of the bed is and you run the risk of clogging the nozzle mashing it into the bed. The point where the nozzle touches the bed is not the "real Z0" you are concerned with anyway. This is why you are using a z-offset, to tell the machine where you want Z0 to be. Think of it this way, in your drawing the distance between A and B is not an empty space when you are printing, it is where the filament goes and the filament extends from the nozzle and is touching the bed, therefore that is Z0.
This post was edited on 6/9/20 at 9:10 am
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
58360 posts
Posted on 6/9/20 at 9:16 am to
ooh ok thats how i have it set up now based on my PLA filament. but with a Z-off set of 0. BUT when i move to PETG or something else i will add a z offset to the profile becuase from what im reading it needs to be a different distance.

when i tried it the other night, i think with a -0.15 or -0.2 i was printing a good 1st layer. just after a few layers i was getting major under extrusion. The extruder would bind and deform the filament. This was at i think 250 degrees. So idk what the issue was. too late to trouble shoot.
This post was edited on 6/9/20 at 9:19 am
Posted by Fat Batman
Gotham City, NJ
Member since Oct 2019
1608 posts
Posted on 6/9/20 at 9:52 am to
I think a better practice is to set it up so that when you home the machine X goes to 0, Y goes to 0 and Z goes to a sheet of paper's distance above whatever surface you are printing on, metal, glass, etc. From that point and through experience you should know that PLA likes printing at this z-offset, PETG likes printing at this z-offset, etc. and set that in your machine when you go to do a print.

I haven't had any extrusion issues yet. I did swap the extruder out for the metal version and added the Capricorn tubing and fittings. I also haven't printed anywhere near that temp.
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
58360 posts
Posted on 6/9/20 at 2:15 pm to
i see that you are saying.... 0 z is the paper (or set feeler guage, which i have. then the offset is for each filament. i guess im just bypassing the paper and just setting 0 z to my go too filament.
Posted by Fat Batman
Gotham City, NJ
Member since Oct 2019
1608 posts
Posted on 6/9/20 at 2:41 pm to
Have you printed since the mishap with the extruder? I'd check the PTFE tube in the hot end to make sure it isn't deforming at that temp or has moved up creating a gap between the tube and the nozzle.
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