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Never said he wasn't, but I have a feeling he won't be by the end of qualifying

Other guys will need to really step up in the next 13 months to do that.


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If you are basing this on the last 2 US camps, the Nov-Dec one was in the middle of the playoffs, and he was given extra time off in January (season ended in mid-December).


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Other guys will need to really step up in the next 13 months to do that.



Well no shite.


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I’m not arguing potential, man. I’m arguing that they won’t be thrown into qualifying without having had first-team experience under Greg.

Most of those options haven’t had significant time under Greg, and thus the options available that have proven anything in his system are very slim.
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I’m not arguing potential, man. I’m arguing that they won’t be thrown into qualifying without having had first-team experience under Greg.



Don't have that luxury this time around because of the pandemic, time to throw them all into the fire.

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Most of those options haven’t had significant time under Greg, and thus the options available that have proven anything in his system are very slim.



So by this logic, I guess Reyna can't be relied on for qualifying huh?

He's 18 and has never played in a CONCACAF atmosphere.


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So by this logic, I guess Reyna can't be relied on for qualifying huh?

Judging by his recent club performances, I think you'd definitely have to question his reliability at this time.


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Judging by his recent club performances, I think you'd definitely have to question his reliability at this time.



Again, you're missing the point.

What does that have to do with qualifying experience. Reyna is only one example... Adams, McKennie, Long, Dest, none of them have played in a qualifier.


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What does that have to do with qualifying experience. Reyna is only one example... Adams, McKennie, Long, Dest, none of them have played in a qualifier.
It has to do with knowing what to expect. McKennie, Adams, Dest, Long, etc. have played at a high or increasing level for longer. You have a good idea of what to expect. What their current ceiling and their current floor is, and you can set your gameplan around it. Reyna has been fairly poor for a while after playing really well out of the gate. On the other hand, there's players at both of his positions that you know exactly what to expect from them (and they almost always put in a good performance for the USMNT.)


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Reyna has had a poor season but so has Dortmund. Until someone in our pool is clearly better than Reyna I think it’s asinine to say someone else should start ahead of him.


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You have a good idea of what to expect.


Why?

Reyna has played more Bundesliga matches in his career than Adams has.


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pvilleguru
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Reyna has played more Bundesliga matches in his career than Adams has.
Adams has played over 1100 more Bundesliga minutes than Reyna, and that's without getting into the 4k+ MLS minutes for Adams, where he was one of the best players on his team for several years. Reyna doesn't have the MLS, or even USL, years to point to and say "I played well for these 3 years prior to the move." He only has 2 seasons, and 1 of them was just as a sub.

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Why?
Because in a game where you need to win, a lot of coaches may go with the player with a higher overall floor and you know will put in a solid shift (looking at Lletget, Morris, etc.) over the player with the higher ceiling but might disappear (Reyna). You can always sub Reyna in in the 2nd half if you need the high ceiling and have to chase a goal.
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Because in a game where you need to win,


You play your best players.

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you know will put in a solid shift (looking at Lletget, Morris, etc.)


Morris has been very up and down with the USMNT (currently up, but he also hasn't played in over a year). Lletget meanwhile has played in only 3 FIFA sanctioned matches for the USMNT and never went the full 90 in any of them.

He is just as trustworthy to have a good match as Reyna, if not less so.

I get it, you're on your "Team MLS" kick, but c'mon dude...
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And I'm not even arguing on behalf of Reyna necessarily, I'm arguing that talent > experience with this team.

Plus, we learned in Cuova that experience doesn't actually mean as much as we want it to.


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pvilleguru
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Lletget meanwhile has played in only 3 FIFA sanctioned matches for the USMNT and never went the full 90 in any of them.
But has played 9 CONCACAF teams since 2019, as well as games against Uruguay and Wales.
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Morris has been very up and down with the USMNT (currently up, but he also hasn't played in over a year).
But has been one of our best players since 2017.


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And you can argue that Reyna has already accomplished more at the club level than either of them.


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What does that have to do with qualifying experience. Reyna is only one example... Adams, McKennie, Long, Dest, none of them have played in a qualifier.


I can’t believe that I have to verbally state what should be known, namely that the guys in this list play top-flight football and are proven in quality overall, whereas the ones I listed at striker are not near the same level of proven talent to this point.

Yes, my point is experience under Greg, but come on... at some point, common sense should take control. Sargent and Gyasi are the only two common sense options there right now, and in all likelihood going into qualifying as well.


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I can’t believe that I have to verbally state what should be known, namely that the guys in this list play top-flight football and are proven in quality overall, whereas the ones I listed at striker are not near the same level of proven talent to this point.



Zardes plays top-flight?

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argent and Gyasi are the only two common sense options there right now


So if Gyasi is in, why isn't Jozy?

Hoppe is playing top-flight, so is Weah.

Dike, Ferreira, Akinola, Ebobisse all were playing in MLS last season which, according to you is top-flight.
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pvilleguru
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And you can argue that Reyna has already accomplished more at the club level than either of them.
What has he accomplished? He's only played 2 seasons, 1 as a regular sub getting 10-15 minutes, and 1 as a fairly regular starter on a down Dortmund team. It might be in different in 2022, and he will be a good player, but right now in a dogfight, road CONCACAF game, I think he'd be coming off the bench.


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What has he accomplished?


Holding his own in the Bundesliga. That tells me more than anything Lletget has done in MLS.

And you're being purposely obtuse saying he only averaged 10-15 minutes last season, when towards the end of the year he was an automatic name in the XI.

That average minutes played is skewed and doesn't tell the whole story.


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when towards the end of the year he was an automatic name in the XI.
He only started the last 2 games of the season.


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