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re: Would Gregg Berhalter have had the team better prepared for Belgium than Pochettino?
Posted on 7/7/26 at 4:17 pm to STLhog
Posted on 7/7/26 at 4:17 pm to STLhog
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So your expectation was for him to sub players, with all our depth, 10 minutes into the game?
Changing tactics does not mean subbing players champ
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Posted on 7/7/26 at 4:21 pm to STLhog
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The game was literally tied at 31 minutes. Yes we looked like shite, but you wanted him to panic and blow up the entire game plan based on a tied game vs letting the team try and work into things?
Yeah, it’s called coaching and it’s literally what we paid him 6 million dollars to do. Wm72 in other posts has explained it better than I could, but Belgium had a clear game plan for which we did not plan nor adapt. We adjusted very little overall and got played off the field from minute 1. The players sucked yeah, but this was an abject coaching failure too.
Posted on 7/7/26 at 4:23 pm to Broski
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Changing tactics does not mean subbing players champ
How do you distinguish a tactics change directed by coaches vs players executing?
Your eyes and ears must be a lot better than mine or you have an in with the team to say Poch did nothing for the entire first half.
I've also heard nothing about specifically "what" we should have changed with the same personnel outside of "MUH TACTICS!"
Posted on 7/7/26 at 4:25 pm to cwil177
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We adjusted very little overall
What is your specific said adjustment?
Let me guess
"we should have given CP the ball more in space and let him create!"
This post was edited on 7/7/26 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 7/7/26 at 4:26 pm to STLhog
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How do you distinguish a tactics change directed by coaches vs players executing?
By watching the game
Posted on 7/7/26 at 4:27 pm to STLhog
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You can chalk it up to playing into their game plan but they still only had 5 shots on goal and I think 3-4 of those were in the first 10 minutes.
Sounds like you realize we were outmatched from the start? Something very obviously wasn’t working tactically.
Belgium had 7 shots on goal and 15 shots total. We had 2 and 7 respectively. One shot on target from the run of play. Belgium had 4 big chances to our 0.
Posted on 7/7/26 at 4:31 pm to STLhog
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What is your specific said adjustment? Let me guess "we should have given CP the ball more in space and let him create!"
I don’t understand the point you’re trying to make here. Are you trying to defend Poch’s tactics? I don’t think getting the ball to Pulisic more would have helped.
I think we could have reverted to more of a mid block to decrease the space behind our CBs. We needed Tillman to be more positionally disciplined because he would get dragged way out to the wings and leave Tyler on an island to defend the middle. McKennie was playing in a free role but it wasn’t working either. We had almost zero shape. With Dest, Robinson, and freeman all pushing up high there was way too much space to exploit behind our line.
Now let me turn this one back to you:
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Your eyes and ears must be a lot better than mine or you have an in with the team to say Poch did nothing for the entire first half.
What adjustments do you think Poch made in the first half? Did they work?
This post was edited on 7/7/26 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 7/7/26 at 4:34 pm to cwil177
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Something very obviously wasn’t working tactically.
How do you objectively distinguish tactics vs execution?
When guys aren't winning balls, completing meaningful passes and giving the ball away at a very high rate, I find that difficult.
I guess there's reasonableness to shared blame but the players, individually, looked like absolute shite aside from Tillman and occasionally Mckennie and Adams.
I'm not disagreeing there was probably some tactical opportunities but when the entire team looks that bad, I don't think it's a simple as "tactics" or "formation".
Again, you can debate whether that is on the players or the coach until the sun sets but bottom line, we folded and did not execute man for man when it counted and to me, that's more clearly on the players vs the coach.
Posted on 7/7/26 at 4:36 pm to STLhog
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Again, you can debate whether that is on the players or the coach
If every single player looks like shite, it’s on the coach
Posted on 7/7/26 at 4:37 pm to cwil177
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too much space to exploit behind our line
How many actual chances did this materialize into? 2? Maybe 3?
Again, my point is that this wasn't like 2014 where it was chance after chance after chance.
Yes, whatever we were doing was ineffective but a formation or change of tactics doesn't address the sloppiness, turning the ball over and consistent lack of execution 1 on 1 whether it was on defense or offense.
Posted on 7/7/26 at 4:38 pm to STLhog
It was clear to me that the players played below their level but when the entire team looks like arse you have to question what’s going on tactically. Good coaches are proactive and it looks like we fell right into Belgium’s game plan and didn’t adjust when it looked dire for us. I think you’re giving Poch an out here that he might not deserve.
Posted on 7/7/26 at 4:39 pm to STLhog
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How many actual chances did this materialize into? 2? Maybe 3?
Seven shots on goal, four times our xG, fifteen shots total and four big chances, plus complete domination of ball progression and final third entries.
Did we watch the same game?
Posted on 7/7/26 at 4:42 pm to STLhog
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a formation or change of tactics doesn't address the sloppiness,
It can most certainly mitigate a lot of it.
That’s how this sport works
Posted on 7/7/26 at 4:43 pm to Broski
Yeah has this dude never played competitive sports?
When you’re getting pounded and your coach makes adjustments to slow down the game and gain better control, players calm down and play better.
When you’re getting pounded and your coach makes adjustments to slow down the game and gain better control, players calm down and play better.
This post was edited on 7/7/26 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 7/7/26 at 4:43 pm to cwil177
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I think you’re giving Poch an out here that he might not deserve.
I'm not completely disagreeing with you. My point is this is an entirely different game if players had executed 1 on 1 and not made catastrophic mistakes for their second and third goals.
Again, 5 shots on goal in the first half, with however many of those were in the first 10-15 minutes is not something that sticks out to me as a tactics or formation failure.
If Ream had been having to battle 1 on 1 with De Ketelaere for headers in the box from crosses bombing in over and over, that would be one thing.
But he didn't, he got beat 1 on 1 for a ball that should have never even made it into the box and was well covered by said "formation" or "tactics".
The third goal was completely avoidable and ridiculous and from memory, the only time we meaningfully got beaten over the top. It's not as if we were dealing with that over and over again.
Posted on 7/7/26 at 4:45 pm to cwil177
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Seven shots on goal, four times our xG, fifteen shots total and four big chances, plus complete domination of ball progression and final third entries.
Did we watch the same game?
Break that out after the first 10 minutes and after the game was over and it would tell a completely different story.
Posted on 7/7/26 at 4:46 pm to STLhog
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Break that out after the first 10 minutes and after the game was over and it would tell a completely different story.
Jesus Christ someone didn’t watch the game or, at the very least, has no idea what they watched
Posted on 7/7/26 at 4:47 pm to cwil177
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When you’re getting pounded and your coach makes adjustments to slow down the game and gain better control, players calm down and play better.
Is that not literally what he did in the second half and did it not create the intended outcome until the 3rd goal?
Posted on 7/7/26 at 4:49 pm to STLhog
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that not literally what he did in the second half and did it not create the intended outcome until the 3rd goal?
Considering we had just one shot on target in the second half no.
We had more of the ball because Belgium’s tactics allowed us to have more of the ball.
Posted on 7/7/26 at 4:51 pm to Broski
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Jesus Christ someone didn’t watch the game or, at the very least, has no idea what they watched
They literally didn't have a shot on goal or not on goal from 14 minutes until the 2nd goal at 33 minutes. After that, in the second half, their first shot, on goal or not on goal, came at 57 minutes for the 3rd goal.
You're just basing your argument on feelings at this point and that's fine.
We have materially different viewpoints on how that game played out.
This post was edited on 7/7/26 at 4:58 pm
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