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re: Why Can't the United States Assemble a Championship Soccer Team?
Posted on 2/3/13 at 12:15 pm to joey barton
Posted on 2/3/13 at 12:15 pm to joey barton
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I don't care how athletic you are. 6'9" is far too tall to be an effective dribbler in a game that is played at the feet.
why?
it's all about coordination and your ability to get your extremities to do what you want
6-9 is also far too tall to be a top ballhandler in the NBA, but lebron has managed to do that
with psychotically competitive guys like kobe and lebron, i don't doubt their ability to develop any skill
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Posted on 2/3/13 at 12:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
Targeting top athletes isn't necessary for these exact reasons.
Too expensive and inefficient. Work on improving the technical development of our current pool and our status on the international level will dramatically improve in the next 10-15 years.
Too expensive and inefficient. Work on improving the technical development of our current pool and our status on the international level will dramatically improve in the next 10-15 years.
Posted on 2/3/13 at 12:16 pm to Dandy Lion
well played, sirPosted on 2/3/13 at 12:17 pm to Dandy Lion
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but I believe your premise was that the US of A would have 27 super studs that would regularly shite stomp the rest of the world
THEORETICALLY possible
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At least this was the opinion of the moronic OP, was it not?
possibly. i'm just arguing why the idea of our best athletes playing soccer from birth to athletic peak is such a tantalizing idea (and why it isn't going away anytime soon). it's always going to be a great "what if" argument
that's all that i'm saying
Posted on 2/3/13 at 12:20 pm to 225bred
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Am I the only one that thinks a 6'9 270lb striker wouldn't exactly the most nimble or lightest on his fee
i never said he'd be a muscular as he is in the NBA
and have you ever seen lebron play basketball? what about his movements make you doubt his footwork?
you don't become a great driver in the NBA at 6-9 with bad coordination or nimbleness on your feet
Posted on 2/3/13 at 12:23 pm to Dandy Lion
all of those depend on the player more than their position. there are dumb QBs and smart RBs
and let's also remember that soccer isn't comprised of all CMs and CBs. a winger can be pretty fricking retarded and still be effective
and let's also remember that soccer isn't comprised of all CMs and CBs. a winger can be pretty fricking retarded and still be effective
Posted on 2/3/13 at 12:24 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:He´d probably only be serviceable in the aerial game, and probably only in England, as I´d imagine he´d foul someone every fricking time a corner or free kick were up and on it´s way.
i never said he'd be a muscular as he is in the NBA
and have you ever seen lebron play basketball? what about his movements make you doubt his footwork?
you don't become a great driver in the NBA at 6-9 with bad coordination or nimbleness on your feet
Posted on 2/3/13 at 12:25 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
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Work on improving the technical development of our current pool and our status on the international level will dramatically improve in the next 10-15 years.
again, this is the baseline regardless of athletic ability
but adding supreme athletes to a competent/good technical development system is the dream
and the possibility of our best athletes playing WITH that good development is the dream goal
Posted on 2/3/13 at 12:27 pm to Dandy Lion
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as I´d imagine he´d foul someone every fricking time a corner or free kick were up and on it´s way.
why?
remove any ball skills from the argument. he's as agile and nimble on his feet as any player playing any sport right now (including soccer). he's not some beheamoth who can't move
Posted on 2/3/13 at 12:30 pm to Dandy Lion
One good thing with all these athletes we´re referring to, there wouldn´t need be an investment of time in teaching them how to dive or feign injury. 
Posted on 2/3/13 at 12:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:a smaller guy would get underneath him, he´d be closely marked and couldn´t get free without contact, and unless it´s England, he´d normally be called for the foul.
why?
Posted on 2/3/13 at 12:33 pm to Dandy Lion
Still can't believe that a troll OP got this much of a response.
Posted on 2/3/13 at 12:34 pm to Dandy Lion
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a smaller guy would get underneath him
he can get low, too, though. and smaller guys can get low on bigger players regardless. i mean when you're discussing a guy like ibra or fellaini, there won't be any difference in impact when discussing this. those guys can get buy with inferior footwork/agility
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he´d be closely marked
for sure, but that would, at the least, open up things for other people i reckon
Posted on 2/3/13 at 12:35 pm to WarSlamEagle
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Still can't believe that a troll OP got this much of a response.
why?
this is a never-ending discussion with American soccer. until soccer gets the best of the best, this discussion will always exist
Posted on 2/3/13 at 12:36 pm to WarSlamEagle
quote:I think it has nothing to do with the troll for some pages now. At least, that´s why I didn´t post upon reading his idiocy. It´s once posters I like and respect started commenting, and seriously so.
Still can't believe that a troll OP got this much of a response.
Posted on 2/3/13 at 12:43 pm to Dandy Lion
Exactly. The OP veiled "all soccer is kicking and running" with a legit sounding title. What people are talking about now has nothing to do with the OP, like Dandy said.
In terms of giants being dribblers, isn't having a low center of gravity important to elite ball control?
In terms of giants being dribblers, isn't having a low center of gravity important to elite ball control?
This post was edited on 2/3/13 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 2/3/13 at 12:45 pm to WarSlamEagle
One would logically assume so, but I think sfp is saying that these are elite freak show athletes, the common laws of physics don't always apply to them
Posted on 2/3/13 at 12:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
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it's all about coordination and your ability to get your extremities to do what you want
It's important to be able to do those things quickly and in extremely congested areas to be a truly extraordinary dribbler a la Messi. Also, I would imagine that he wouldn't be nearly as explosive if he didn't spend his entire childhood jumping, further limiting his ability to dribble.
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6-9 is also far too tall to be a top ballhandler in the NBA, but lebron has managed to do that
Compared to people who are still fairly tall for the sport of soccer using appendages that are more maneuverable than legs.
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with psychotically competitive guys like kobe and lebron, i don't doubt their ability to develop any skill
I wouldn't doubt their ability to actually play the sport at a high level if they truly worked at it from a young age. However, all players have potential skill-sets which are limited by their size.
Posted on 2/3/13 at 12:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
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but adding supreme athletes to a competent/good technical development system is the dream
Correct, I don't think anyone would argue with you on that. But let's clear a few things up:
1. Being Lebron James or Chris Paul doesn't mean you will succeed in any sport.
2. With our current developmental system, those players would only marginally, if any, improve our current player pool.
3. Soccer will NEVER, at least in the near future (20+ years), attract the thousands of top athletes that your "dream" requires in the US.
4. If soccer is ever to get to that point, it will:
a. Need to drastically improve its academies, and pump millions upon millions of dollars into the domestic league.
b. More than likely target the Harvin's, Welker's and Sproles' of the country.
Posted on 2/3/13 at 1:04 pm to joey barton
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It's important to be able to do those things quickly and in extremely congested areas to be a truly extraordinary dribbler a la Messi.
it would be tough to be a messi. there is only one messi
i picked ronaldo b/c of the longer strides, fwiw
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Also, I would imagine that he wouldn't be nearly as explosive if he didn't spend his entire childhood jumping, further limiting his ability to dribble.
i don't know about this. if anything he may lose some jumping but he'd develop better explosiveness running
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Compared to people who are still fairly tall for the sport of soccer using appendages that are more maneuverable than legs.
well 6-0 isn't some outlier in soccer
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. However, all players have potential skill-sets which are limited by their size.
i think this is part of an older style of thinking that could possibly be changed by our guys
just because people have been too scared to do it in the past doesn't mean that it can't be done
i'd love nothing more than america to develop a new style that says "frick you" to the establishment in europe
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