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re: ¡¡Transferapalooza!!
Posted on 7/8/11 at 10:51 pm to adammwilson
Posted on 7/8/11 at 10:51 pm to adammwilson
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England hasn't had a good midfield distributor
Wilshere could be the answer. Way too early to tell.
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Posted on 7/10/11 at 12:05 am to glassman
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Wilshere could be the answer. Way too early to tell.
thats what ive heard. Im hoping so. I do like the kid he plays hard.
Posted on 7/10/11 at 1:56 am to adammwilson
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it isn't even close that the EPL is the top league because of it's quality and depth.
it's the top league b/c its tv deal/sponsorship is the best in soccer in terms of distribution and total dollars
they buy players from other leagues who were developed outside of the english system
your argument would hold water if the top 6 epl teams were dominated by english stars (they aren't)
Posted on 7/10/11 at 1:57 am to SlowFlowPro
SFP, Adams arguments never hold water.
Posted on 7/10/11 at 2:24 am to Caplewood
i have to be constructive when i disagree with adammmm or he'll go run to the admins and say i'm part of a conspiracy to hurt him
Posted on 7/10/11 at 6:24 am to adammwilson
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There is no reason why a top U.K. player shouldn't succeed in another league.
But they usually don't. There are a handful of English players who could play outside of England, but the majority of English players don't have the necessary technique to even play on average teams in other leagues. The English realize this, which is why they are revamping their youth structure.
Posted on 7/10/11 at 10:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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i have to be constructive when i disagree with adammmm or he'll go run to the admins and say i'm part of a conspiracy to hurt him
all aboard the bullshite train.
Posted on 7/10/11 at 10:59 am to adammwilson
point proven
Posted on 7/10/11 at 11:04 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
it's the top league b/c its tv deal/sponsorship is the best in soccer in terms of distribution and total dollars
so if it's not the best league in terms of quality and depth what league is? I gotta hear this
quote:
your argument would hold water if the top 6 epl teams were dominated by english stars (they aren't)
if we are talking about U.K. players then lets see the numbers:
Man U:
18/37
Chelsea:
11/32
Man City:
13/36
Arsenal:
7/30
Tottenham:
16/35
Liverpool:
12/32
the numbers are not awful. I didn't do it by starters which I think would have somewhat of an impact as well.
Posted on 7/10/11 at 11:04 am to SlowFlowPro
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point proven
Posted on 7/10/11 at 11:13 am to adammwilson
man u does have a lot of englishmen and they do buy up a lot of the young english studs
are they planning on replacing giggs/scholes with englishmen? doesn't look that way
chelsea: torres, drogba, kalou, essien, anelka, malouda
liverpool: kuyt, meirleles, suarez, rodriguez
man city: toure, tevez, dzeko, swagotelli, silva
spurs: modric, van der vaart, palacios, sandro, pavluochenko (tott's 2 playmakers are foreign)
aresenal: RvP, nasri, csec, chamackh, arshavin
are they planning on replacing giggs/scholes with englishmen? doesn't look that way
chelsea: torres, drogba, kalou, essien, anelka, malouda
liverpool: kuyt, meirleles, suarez, rodriguez
man city: toure, tevez, dzeko, swagotelli, silva
spurs: modric, van der vaart, palacios, sandro, pavluochenko (tott's 2 playmakers are foreign)
aresenal: RvP, nasri, csec, chamackh, arshavin
Posted on 7/10/11 at 11:15 am to SlowFlowPro
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are they planning on replacing giggs/scholes with englishmen? doesn't look that way
actually yes it does. It's been reported long term they want to replace Giggs with Ashley Young.
you never specified specific positions I'm talking in general. You can't really change the discussion now.
In terms of playmakers it's not even a question that foreign players obviously dominate. It's a major concern imho.
This post was edited on 7/10/11 at 11:21 am
Posted on 7/10/11 at 11:20 am to adammwilson
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you never specified specific positions I'm talking in general. You can't really change the discussion now.
well since this is a discussion on skill, i thought it was automatic that we were talking skill positions
and man u is looking at sneijder (dutch) and nasri (french) to be their playmakers of the future, by many accounts
nasri may be off the table with signing young, but he's going to be a wide player
if they don't get sneijder, it looks like they're going after modric
that's the central playmaking role that the english seem to be completely missing. the english attacking mids play more like second strikers, trying to shoot a ton and score (and it's why the national team cannot have lampard and gerrard on the field at the same time)
Posted on 7/10/11 at 11:24 am to SlowFlowPro
They should get more young players into the Ajax system. I think Joe Cole when he used to not suck was a good English playmaker but they don't have many. The fate of the national team's midfield lies on the shoulders of Jack Wilshere.
Posted on 7/10/11 at 11:28 am to hendersonshands
i still have no clue why more european nations haven't just copied what the dutch do (or america, for that matter)
it's not something that will produce immediate results, but it's obviously the best per capita producer of skill
i think national ego and a reluctance to shy away from the "style" of the country plays a role
germany, in its always-present efficiency, has completely changed itself (for the better)
it's not something that will produce immediate results, but it's obviously the best per capita producer of skill
i think national ego and a reluctance to shy away from the "style" of the country plays a role
germany, in its always-present efficiency, has completely changed itself (for the better)
Posted on 7/10/11 at 11:28 am to hendersonshands
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The fate of the national team's midfield lies on the shoulders of Jack Wilshere.
i feel bad for the young guy. It's alot of pressure on such a young guy.
Posted on 7/10/11 at 11:32 am to SlowFlowPro
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germany, in its always-present efficiency, has completely changed itself (for the better)
Posted on 7/10/11 at 11:35 am to hendersonshands
a bonus perk of germany games is getting to see him on the sidelines 
Posted on 7/10/11 at 11:36 am to SlowFlowPro
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that's the central playmaking role that the english seem to be completely missing. the english attacking mids play more like second strikers, trying to shoot a ton and score (and it's why the national team cannot have lampard and gerrard on the field at the same time)
You're absolutely right. It's part of the reason England hasn't been as successful as they maybe should have been.
Posted on 7/10/11 at 11:38 am to SlowFlowPro
We could only pray that one day he's making the USA sidelines look sexy.
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