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Posted by ezride25
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Posted on 7/7/20 at 9:57 am to
I’d really like frank to explore a double pivot in a 4231 with Kante and Kovacic. We have DMs in Kante Jorginho (trading up for rice?) Bakayoko even though he’s never broken through, ampadu? and then we have a shite ton of attacking midfielders. What we don’t have is anyone who does that box to box, CM, perfect balance of attack and defense thing. Literally everyone we play in those outside mid positions in the 433 seem out of place though Kante has done it best followed by Kovacic imo. Abraham and Giroud are pure strikers but any of our other attackers/midfielders could play any of those 3 attacking mid spots in a 4231. Almost none of them fit in the outside mid role very well.
Posted by cigsmcgee
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Posted on 7/7/20 at 10:44 am to
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double pivot in a 4231 with Kante and Kovacic. We have DMs in Kante Jorginho (trading up for rice?) Bakayoko even though he’s never broken through, ampadu?


i agree, but we've seen this experimented with a few times this season and it never really worked right. jorginho and kovacic have worked best in a pivot, but thats lead to other issues. maybe if Ngolo had been fit for more games, this could have been tinkered with more. but yeah, kovacic/kante seems like it should work really well.

I like the idea of Rice playing there. would love for ampadu to develop into that role as well, but his loan has gone so poorly i dont know what the plans are for him next season.

next year, theres no doubt we will have more success in the final third with werner, ziyech, healthy RLC, Kai? if we can get goals w/o having to over commit two overlapping FBs and two attacking 8s, itll naturally create a better balance and leave us less exposed. thats what im hoping anyway.
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Posted on 7/7/20 at 10:49 am to
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Posted on 7/7/20 at 11:22 am to
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Posted by DukeSilver
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Posted on 7/7/20 at 12:30 pm to
Actually like that kit they're wearing right now
Posted by In The Know
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Posted on 7/7/20 at 12:42 pm to
That’s a great kit.

Freaking Kepa. Wasn’t prepared for that shot at all.
Posted by In The Know
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Posted on 7/7/20 at 12:51 pm to
Totally dominate the half and only up one. No lead is safe for this squad.
Posted by jimmy the leg
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Posted on 7/7/20 at 12:54 pm to
My take for the 1st half

We got lucky on the first goal (obviously).
Tough luck for Cahill.

Mount and Barkley seem to want to jam the ball through the middle of the defense. CP22 was the higher percentage option over a half dozen times out left and was totally ignored by Barkley and Mount (1 look in 6).

The goal by CP22 didn’t involve either of the two above.

Neither did the strike by Willian on the nice dummy run by OG (which froze the Palace back line) and nice look left by CP22.

On the Zaha goal for Palace, Mount trotted back and NEVER recovered. He had a front row seat to a beautiful strike.

Basically, not having Kante in the middle has been easy to see imho. Mount and Barkley ball chase and have success when applying high pressure. Working off of the ball...not so much. Barkley tracks back better than Mount...who can be a liability (he is on the hook for two goals in 60 minutes of play just by being lazy). Mount is young and plays with an edge, but he is no Kante.

Gilmour looks his age, but has played well.

Just my .02.
Posted by GeauxTigers2020
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Posted on 7/7/20 at 12:56 pm to
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Posted by jimmy the leg
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Posted on 7/7/20 at 1:01 pm to
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Terrible from Zouma on Zaha's goal. He just stood there and didn't close down when he was the closest. Absolutely shocking from Kepa as well. I've tried to be patient with him, but he's got to go. He's not good. He's got to save shots down the middle. He also almost gave them a goal right at the start.


Agreed. Our back line is shite and we grossly overpaid for Kepa based on his play. I guess I could have noted it, but it has been the case all season. To be fair, by Zouma delaying Zaha, it gave Mount tons of time to track. When he didn’t track, Zouma should have stepped to the ball (which obviously didn’t happen). In short a clusterfrick.

I noted the midfield play as Lamps made a living 18 to 18. Simply put, I don’t see that in Mount or Barkley (yet).
This post was edited on 7/7/20 at 1:13 pm
Posted by ezride25
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Posted on 7/7/20 at 1:12 pm to
We overpaid kepa because courtois left us in a really poor spot. We had to overpay. I still can’t believe caballero is still on this team after the last WC. He was our only option.
Posted by GeauxTigers2020
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Posted on 7/7/20 at 1:18 pm to
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Posted by jimmy the leg
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Posted on 7/7/20 at 1:20 pm to
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We overpaid kepa because courtois left us in a really poor spot. We had to overpay. I still can’t believe caballero is still on this team after the last WC. He was our only option.


True
Posted by jimmy the leg
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Posted on 7/7/20 at 1:20 pm to
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Overpaying doesn't concern me. It's the fact we bought someone who just isn't good. You could argue he's been the worst GK in the entire league this season with ease.


Also true.
Posted by In The Know
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Posted on 7/7/20 at 1:22 pm to
I thought Kepa turned the corner before the break against Liverpool but I guess not.
Posted by hendersonshands
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Posted on 7/7/20 at 1:25 pm to
I hate everything about these Chelsea kits
Posted by In The Know
City of St George, La
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 7/7/20 at 2:00 pm to
These kits are ??

Tammy finally contributes then gives it back on the very next possession. Defense and Kepa are rubbish although Reese looked good. And Zouma saves our asses at the end but geez these guys cannot protect a lead. This match reminded me so much of West Ham.
Posted by Swank
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Posted on 7/7/20 at 2:01 pm to
Very thankful the entirety of the prem outside of Liverpool and City are garbage because man this is not a top four team at all most years
Posted by GeauxTigers2020
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Posted on 7/7/20 at 2:04 pm to
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Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 7/7/20 at 2:08 pm to
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But I really don't think we have one good defender in our squad?


Serviceable...yes. Good...no.
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