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re: This weekend we are all Bayern
Posted on 5/24/13 at 8:57 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 5/24/13 at 8:57 am to SlowFlowPro
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pretty soon you'll be adding swansea to the list i reckon
I know you know what I'm saying, even if you disagree with it. So here in the states you're not annoyed by the people that suddenly became Heat fans in the last 3 years?
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Posted on 5/24/13 at 8:58 am to Tweezy
it's not hipster, but the same underlying philosophy is used by hipsters. it fits his character across TD
i can't think of the term right now
i can't think of the term right now
Posted on 5/24/13 at 9:01 am to SlowFlowPro
Stupid hipster joke below:
Hipsters always burn their tongues wen drinking coffee.
Why?
Because they drank it before it was cool.
Hipsters always burn their tongues wen drinking coffee.
Why?
Because they drank it before it was cool.
Posted on 5/24/13 at 9:03 am to Draconian Sanctions
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I know you know what I'm saying
i really don't. you aren't articulating your point/framework very well. it seems to come down to you as the ultimate decision maker, and you don't really rely on anything other than your gut to make the distinctions
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So here in the states you're not annoyed by the people that suddenly became Heat fans in the last 3 years?
why would i care?
i like the heat. i'm not some big fan, but i want them to win a lot of titles b/c i enjoy watching lebron haters choke on their haterade. i like chris bosh. i like birdman, chalmers, baattier, etc
i like their style and advanced schematics on offense and defense
i have no problem if other people enjoy them too and cheer for them. the only people i could see possibly having a legit complaint would be those in their group who cheered for a previous team (if this team even existed)
Posted on 5/24/13 at 9:03 am to PTBob
For the 5th time can we please move on now?
Posted on 5/24/13 at 9:09 am to SlowFlowPro
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it seems to come down to you as the ultimate decision maker, and you don't really rely on anything other than your gut to make the distinctions
That's absolutely the case. It's my opinion and I'm not basing it on pure objective criteria. It's just how I feel about it. This phenomenon is not unique to me among the human race.
Unlike you, I'm not trying to convince anyone that my view is the only correct one. I just said how I feel about it and have tried to move on.
That's a big part of your problem on here Jacob, you get into these debates without realizing that its ok for there to be disagreement and your opinion is no better than anyone else's. Not everything is about making an objective case about something, stop being such a damn lawyer all the time and be a human being for a change.
Posted on 5/24/13 at 9:24 am to PTBob
yeah a lot of that mindset is based in the faulty notion that being an early adopter shows authenticity
it's a ridiculous argument, especially once the team/music/x gets popular
for instance, i've been a big electronica/techno fan for 15+ years. i'm by no means first in line, but i've been listening to it for a good bit. a few months ago i brought a girl on my trivia team home and she commented about my trance mix. fast forward to a couple weeks ago and a few electronic songs came on and she actually asked me if i was upset that it was becoming somewhat more popular in LC. i was like "frick no. i want more people to enjoy it."
soccer has problems because it's kind of a niche/alternative sport from the get go, so the people of the...uh..."alternative mindset" are drawn to it. the second problem is that there are some accessible clubs for the "common man," and these are flat rejected by those of the alternative mindset
they're not fans of teams, they're fans of the ideas of rooting for a team that makes them seem more authentic b/c it's not as easy to follow them. this is ridiculous for 2 reasons. first, in the internet age, we can follow almost any team. secondly, the fact that they're not really fans of the teams makes their arguments about people who are fans of "popular clubs" illogical
it's a ridiculous argument, especially once the team/music/x gets popular
for instance, i've been a big electronica/techno fan for 15+ years. i'm by no means first in line, but i've been listening to it for a good bit. a few months ago i brought a girl on my trivia team home and she commented about my trance mix. fast forward to a couple weeks ago and a few electronic songs came on and she actually asked me if i was upset that it was becoming somewhat more popular in LC. i was like "frick no. i want more people to enjoy it."
soccer has problems because it's kind of a niche/alternative sport from the get go, so the people of the...uh..."alternative mindset" are drawn to it. the second problem is that there are some accessible clubs for the "common man," and these are flat rejected by those of the alternative mindset
they're not fans of teams, they're fans of the ideas of rooting for a team that makes them seem more authentic b/c it's not as easy to follow them. this is ridiculous for 2 reasons. first, in the internet age, we can follow almost any team. secondly, the fact that they're not really fans of the teams makes their arguments about people who are fans of "popular clubs" illogical
Posted on 5/24/13 at 9:26 am to Draconian Sanctions
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I'm not trying to convince anyone that my view is the only correct one
i'm not arguing my opinion is the right one. i'm arguing that your opinion is clearly not valid
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without realizing that its ok for there to be disagreement and your opinion is no better than anyone else's.
patently false
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Not everything is about making an objective case about something,
everything in life comes down to objective measurements and clearly articulated observations
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stop being such a damn lawyer all the time
it has nothing to do with this. see: my avatar
Posted on 5/24/13 at 9:30 am to SlowFlowPro
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i'm arguing that your opinion is clearly not valid
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patently false
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everything in life comes down to objective measurements and clearly articulated observations
ok, I'm done here ETA: aw frick it, it's Friday.
This post was edited on 5/24/13 at 9:35 am
Posted on 5/24/13 at 9:38 am to SlowFlowPro
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yeah a lot of that mindset is based in the faulty notion that being an early adopter shows authenticity
Why are you assuming that I value early adoption? If that were the case shouldn't SCH be my Soccer Board BFF?
I know you want to intellectualize everything because its your main defense mechanism but you can't objectify what is inherently each person's subjective view of reality. You may not like my opinion in this specific issue, but it's my view that someone picking a team mainly because they are good is not a respectable reason. There's nothing you can say that objectively proves that this is an invalid position.
This post was edited on 5/24/13 at 9:42 am
Posted on 5/24/13 at 9:44 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Why are you assuming that I value early adoption?
well that wasn't pointed at you directly, but why do you have an issue following a team with a large, established american fanbase?
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but you can't objectify what is inherently each person's subjective view of reality.
sure you can. the problem is people being honest about why they make choices. often, even their stated (and truthful) reasoning is wrong, but you can't get the right answer without the truth
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someone picking a team mainly because they are good is not a respectable reason.
do you value the agony of failure or something? do you feel that purposefully choosing the path of suffering is cleansing for the soul? or is there another reason you don't like this choice of others?
i have my theories, but i'm willing to listen to your specific mindset/thought process in this decision
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There's nothing you can say that objectively proves that this is an invalid position.
that depends mostly on how honest and detailed you are in your stated reasoning
Posted on 5/24/13 at 10:01 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Jacob
Oh, boy, we's gettin' personal.
By the way, I played my first copy of FIFA earlier this week...played with that 2003 United squad I fell in love when I was 9.
Still don't care what folks think about it.
Posted on 5/24/13 at 10:02 am to SlowFlowPro
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well that wasn't pointed at you directly, but why do you have an issue following a team with a large, established american fanbase?
I view it as the easy/cheap/mindless thing to do
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sure you can. the problem is people being honest about why they make choices. often, even their stated (and truthful) reasoning is wrong, but you can't get the right answer without the truth
Your pseudo-philosophical regurgitations of Ann Rand's narcassicism presupposes than an objective truth is a knowable thing. From your subjective experience of the world what can you honestly say for sure is real other than your own brain functions?
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do you value the agony of failure or something? do you feel that purposefully choosing the path of suffering is cleansing for the soul? or is there another reason you don't like this choice of others?
Not necessarily. I simply feel its the cheap and easy path to pick the biggest and baddest team on the block to throw your support behind absent some kind of personal connection to that city or something outside the bounds of their success.
This post was edited on 5/24/13 at 10:03 am
Posted on 5/24/13 at 10:07 am to WarSlamEagle
i always had issues with man u when i was playing late 90s/early 00s b/c until rooney/tevez, they had ST issues (For my style)
now like 2007 or so, when they had rooney/tevez/berbe/myloveronaldo? i like
now like 2007 or so, when they had rooney/tevez/berbe/myloveronaldo? i like
Posted on 5/24/13 at 10:13 am to Draconian Sanctions
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I view it as the easy/cheap/mindless thing to do
if they invest the same personal resources in following the team, it isn't as cheap
there are plenty of reasons to show how the choice isn't "mindless", namely being able to cheer for a team that might win
there is nothing wrong (and a lot right) about supporting a team who has a good chance of winning
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Your pseudo-philosophical regurgitations of Ann Rand's narcassicism
i've never read ayn rand
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From your subjective experience of the world what can you honestly say for sure is real other than your own brain functions?
nothing, but i don't think we are operating without an assumption that the world exists
even if you're just a neuron firing off in my brain, the internal debate in my mind is real
Posted on 5/24/13 at 10:15 am to Draconian Sanctions
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So here in the states you're not annoyed by the people that suddenly became Heat fans in the last 3 years?
What if someone "became" a Bulls fan in the early 90s and still is one to this day? Is that person ok?
When did you become a 49ers fan?
Posted on 5/24/13 at 10:23 am to SlowFlowPro
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there are plenty of reasons to show how the choice isn't "mindless", namely being able to cheer for a team that might win
there is nothing wrong (and a lot right) about supporting a team who has a good chance of winning
And again, this is your opinion. You're entitled to it, I'm not the one saying that the other's opinion is clearly false.
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i've never read ayn rand
Well knowingly or unknowingly you're making a lot of the same narcissism-based arguments that she does.
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even if you're just a neuron firing off in my brain, the internal debate in my mind is real
If you can't say for sure that I'm even a real entity, then how the hell can you say for sure that your subjective interpretation of reality is superior to mine?
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if they invest the same personal resources in following the team, it isn't as cheap
It isn't as cheap, you're right, but i can still be critical of the initial decision. I do wonder how much enjoyment one could really feel after picking up a team thats the best in the world to root for then watch them roll off 13 titles in 20 years. I mean at a certain point doesn't the law of diminishing returns kick in? Maybe not I guess.
Posted on 5/24/13 at 10:26 am to SlowFlowPro
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i always had issues with man u when i was playing late 90s/early 00s b/c until rooney/tevez, they had ST issues (For my style)
I was addicted to this lineup:
Rooney-Ruud
Ronaldo-Scholes-Keane-Giggs
Neville-Ferdinand-Silvestre-O'Shea
Howard
There were much better ones in the years to come, but this was the one that opened the door for me. Even back then, Ronaldo could hit those frisbee shots from the wing...Ruud was money off the rebound...and even though Timmy wasn't world-class, he was an American at the biggest club in the world.
Posted on 5/24/13 at 10:29 am to SlowFlowPro
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do you feel that purposefully choosing the path of suffering is cleansing for the soul?
Outside of the Leeds and Stoke fan(s), no one on this forum is purposefully torturing themselves without a reasonably compelling reason to, e.g., I studied abroad there, lived there, etc.
Even Leeds wasn't awful when many on this forum chose to follow them. No one's closely following Scunthorpe United, and I can't really blame them. I don't need to follow a team 3000 miles away to watch shitty soccer.
Posted on 5/24/13 at 10:35 am to RandySavage
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When did you become a 49ers fan?
I was like 5 years old but ill tell you what: if ManU goes through a decade like the 49ers just came out of (which over there would include multiple relegations), then whoever is still sticking with them is good with me.
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