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Posted on 6/19/18 at 9:21 pm to McCaigBro69
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The ref has no idea that back pass was going to be made and I don’t blame him at all. No referee would have had any reason to assume a backpass there would happen. Especially one that shitty
Exactly
Posted on 6/19/18 at 9:42 pm to SUB
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Nobody had possession. That’s the problem. A player should be waved on when it’s reasonably sure that the act of him coming on won’t give his team some huge advantage. IMO if the ball is up for grabs in the air, that’s not a good time. A good time would be when the opposing team has solid possession not near where he comes into the field. Is there an official rule or guidance to refs on this?
The ball was in the air, but Poland won the second ball by the time Niang was on the field. Why Krychowiak decided to pass it back is a big question. Why was the CB jogging after the pass was made? It was a comedy of errors that highlighted the ref's decision. Without the comically bad back pass no one would have cared when Niang was on the field.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 11:46 am to crazy4lsu
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Why was the CB jogging after the pass was made?
Maybe he didn't realize Niang had been waved on? That makes the most sense.
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Without the comically bad back pass no one would have cared when Niang was on the field.
The problem is that the pass wouldn't be "bad" if Niang isn't called on because there was no threat and no need to make a more precise pass.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 11:48 am to SUB
Partly, but Szczesny sold the jerseys on that as well.
Ref did a terrible job managing that match.
Ref did a terrible job managing that match.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 11:51 am to SUB
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The problem is that the pass wouldn't be "bad" if Niang isn't called on because there was no threat and no need to make a more precise pass.
He was called on before he made the pass. Dude should pick his head up next time.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 12:04 pm to pvilleguru
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He was called on before he made the pass. Dude should pick his head up next time.
I'm pretty sure most players had their "head up" as Niang was waved on when the ball was high in the air and it's probable that many players never saw the ref wave him on because they had an eye on the ball.
There needs to be more than just a hand wave by the ref to allow a player back on. Players shouldn't have to constantly be keeping an eye on the ref when an injured player is waiting to come back in. It should be obvious to all players that it's happened because it impacts how players play.
This post was edited on 6/20/18 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 6/20/18 at 12:07 pm to SUB
It's a common occurrence. Players have to go off for minor things all the time and they are allowed to come back on quickly. You should always assume that he could come back on at any time. There is no one to blame but the Polish players and maybe the Polish coaches.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 12:16 pm to pvilleguru
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You should always assume that he could come back on at any time. There is no one to blame but the Polish players and maybe the Polish coaches.
Apparently so. But I don't agree that should be the behavior of players on the field. In cases like this, should Poland constantly be keeping a defender near that end of midfield with his eye trained on Naing and the ref? If not, Naing can just wait until that defender makes a run or gives him enough space to create an advantage, and then ask to be let back on. IMO that goes against the spirit of the game and there has to be a better way to handle the situation.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 12:20 pm to SUB
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should Poland constantly be keeping a defender near that end of midfield with his eye trained on Naing and the ref?
I'd either do that or have one of the assistant coaches keep an eye on it, and have him alert the players when he's about to come back on.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 12:36 pm to pvilleguru
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I'd either do that or have one of the assistant coaches keep an eye on it, and have him alert the players when he's about to come back on.
But don't you agree there should be a better way to handle these types of situations? I get the argument that players need to get off the field for injuries and come back on, and that being part of the game. They need to get back into the game ASAP to help their team out. I just don't think it's good for the sport for the opposing team to have to keep their head on a swivel to see when that guy decides he's ready to play rather than focusing attention on active play.
If it's too much to wait for a stoppage in play (throw-in, foul, etc), why not have a loud audio queue besides the whistle (think a loud ding) and then a delay until a side judge waves the player on. It'd at least be more apparent to players that this guy is coming back on and they need to make sure they don't do something that he could take advantage of, like playing a soft pass back to the keeper.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 12:39 pm to SUB
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But don't you agree there should be a better way to handle these types of situations?
Not really.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 12:40 pm to SUB
I'd prefer it if you could only get back on if your team is in possession
Posted on 6/20/18 at 12:42 pm to SUB
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why not have a loud audio queue besides the whistle (think a loud ding) and then a delay until a side judge waves the player on. It'd at least be more apparent to players that this guy is coming back on and they need to make sure they don't do something that he could take advantage of, like playing a soft pass back to the keeper.
How about having one of the 15 people on your bench keeping an eye on the 4th official? Maybe if someone told the last defender that the guy was running at him, he wouldn't have let the ball bounce.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 1:15 pm to SUB
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Maybe he didn't realize Niang had been waved on? That makes the most sense.
He appeared to look straight at him.
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The problem is that the pass wouldn't be "bad" if Niang isn't called on because there was no threat and no need to make a more precise pass.
A backpass over the head of the deepest player, played to absolutely no one in particular, is always a terrible back pass. The pass could have been played on the ground, as Krychowiak wasn't under any pressure at all. He could have held the ball upfield, as Poland finally won possession of the second ball. He could have done a lot of things. Instead he played the worst pass he possibly could in that moment.
The ref did wave Niang on in an advantageous position, but the comedy of errors ensured the goal, not the ref's decision. The back pass, under no pressure and over the head of the CB, created the opportunity.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 1:23 pm to crazy4lsu
Is anyone really surprised a Polack made a bad decision?
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