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re: tGOATship playoff final and some other game in Kiev, Matchday 5/26
Posted on 5/26/18 at 5:00 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Posted on 5/26/18 at 5:00 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Better than you fans making up songs about dead United players
Oh for Christ’s sake.
This happens on both sides, it isn’t indicative of the norm.
I saw a flood of social media posts wishing SAF well.
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Posted on 5/26/18 at 5:01 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:But it also gets the most out of its system. Sure it has its holes, but it got his Dortmund squad and this Liverpool squad to the champions league finals when there were plenty of teams with better players on it out there, so obviously it works. It just takes full dedication to that system, even with squad depth
I agree again, which is a problem with Klopp's methodology. It's a small problem to have if you have enough depth though.
quote:This and drawing fouls. Not saying dives, because they get a lot of legitimate fouls, but they know when to draw one to slow the game down or to maintain possession of the ball in a vital situation.
This is key. Madrid is able to switch between systems at ease, and even when they were playing the higher line after Salah went off, Pool could rarely get a through ball. Madrid's tactic is interesting in that one midfield player always goes to the man while the rest of the team resets into shape. It's sort of the opposite of counter-pressing. The intent is simply to delay the opposition. Madrid is also better then any team in the world at those small little fouls that refs rarely card for. It's like they have a rotation system for fouling.
I still say when Salah was on we looked up for it, and I would've loved to have seen Ox be healthy for this one too, but it is what it is. I was pleased with our general shape and how we defended outside of the couple mistakes.
Posted on 5/26/18 at 5:01 pm to joey barton
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Yeah, that's kind of the thing with this Real Madrid team. Its not like they have 2012 Ronaldo, where they can find him out wide 40 yds from goal, and he'll either get to the end line or cut in and punish you. They aren't going to break you down and destroy you. Casemiro doesn't provide a whole lot going forward, Kroos occasionally gets involved but is mostly allergic to releasing Benz/Ronaldo focusing on ball retention, and while Modric can get involved, he doesnt focus upon that. Liverpool looked good defensively, but Ronaldo still got 3 half/full chances, and Bale was able to get isolated on the other flank. Isco is obviously excellent, but he runs hot and cold.
I wasn't expecting them to showcase any slick passing. The team is plays fairly pragmatically. The way Modric and Kroos can control the tempo and wriggle themselves out of every situation is impressive. It's like both of them split the responsibilities of the DLP without making incisive passes (though they've shown in the past that they can make those passes if they want), always showing to the man with the ball as a safety valve. It's a good system to use control games, which they do so damn well. Especially in Europe.
Posted on 5/26/18 at 5:02 pm to TheZaba
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And no better than the shite about Hillsborough. Come on man, nobody approves of that and no reason to even bring it in here
Talking bad about Hillsborough is awful
But we don’t have songs about it
Posted on 5/26/18 at 5:04 pm to TheZaba
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But it also gets the most out of its system. Sure it has its holes, but it got his Dortmund squad and this Liverpool squad to the champions league finals when there were plenty of teams with better players on it out there, so obviously it works. It just takes full dedication to that system, even with squad depth
No doubt it works. Pool need three more players and maybe a CM who can play incisive passes more often, as its been a little while since Henderson has been brave enough to make those passes. He does a good job in terms of positioning though.
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I still say when Salah was on we looked up for it, and I would've loved to have seen Ox be healthy for this one too, but it is what it is. I was pleased with our general shape and how we defended outside of the couple mistakes.
With Salah on I think Marcelo is a little more honest about staying back. A healthy Ox against Marcelo would have been nice to watch. Though under Klopp I haven't seen Ox dribble near as much as he used to.
This post was edited on 5/26/18 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 5/26/18 at 5:10 pm to TheZaba
I think Asensio and Kovacic are a good start. Asensio is Asensio, and Kovacic is a literal god on the ball as a central midfielder.
Vazquez and Nacho are role players, and Nacho is a little older. Probably the players Florentino would have neglected previously, but I doubt they'll feature more than they currently are. There were even rumors of Nacho leaving a year or two back, but he's solid and can play anywhere along the backline even though he's naturally a CB.
They really need to get a wide player to replace Ronaldo's contributions there. Marcelo has masked a lot of it, but he's getting up there too. Asensio can move into those areas, but it's more of a stopgap.
Vazquez and Nacho are role players, and Nacho is a little older. Probably the players Florentino would have neglected previously, but I doubt they'll feature more than they currently are. There were even rumors of Nacho leaving a year or two back, but he's solid and can play anywhere along the backline even though he's naturally a CB.
They really need to get a wide player to replace Ronaldo's contributions there. Marcelo has masked a lot of it, but he's getting up there too. Asensio can move into those areas, but it's more of a stopgap.
Posted on 5/26/18 at 5:11 pm to BleedPurpleGold
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Oh for Christ’s sake.
This happens on both sides, it isn’t indicative of the norm.
I saw a flood of social media posts wishing SAF well.
Dude you know what I was getting at
A majority of our fans can get along
I was just trying to give him a reality check
Posted on 5/26/18 at 5:17 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:Can't disagree with that. We have Keita incoming who is brilliant when it comes to IMPECT and packing stats and it looks like Fekir will be coming in as well, so that will give another creative option to play as our most forward thinking midfielder or depth at winger. Ox can play out wide as well, but I would love someone like Werner too (I know it probably won't happen) who can play anywhere across the front 3 in a pinch.
No doubt it works. Pool need three more players and maybe a CM who can play incisive passes more often, as its been a little while since Henderson has been brave enough to make those passes. He does a good job in terms of positioning though.
quote:Ox and Salah were connecting great as the season went on so I think that would've been fun to watch. He was still dribbling some, but just his movement and speed on that side was just overwhelming for most teams we played
With Salah on I think Marcelo is a little more honest about staying back. A healthy Ox against Marcelo would have been nice to watch. Though under Klopp I haven't seen Ox dribble near as much as he used to.
Posted on 5/26/18 at 5:18 pm to joey barton
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They really need to get a wide player to replace Ronaldo's contributions there. Marcelo has masked a lot of it, but he's getting up there too. Asensio can move into those areas, but it's more of a stopgap.
Ousmane Dembele would have been really good in that role.
They should try to build the team around Asensio in my view.
Posted on 5/26/18 at 5:19 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:I think we recognized with Isco playing we were gonna be overrun in midfield and instead of the mindless pressing we picked our spots to press well and instead cut off passing lanes when Kroos or Modric did get the ball instead of just trying to turn them away from goal and forcing them to pass backwards. I was surprised by that because usually we're pretty bad at that and just rely on the press to take away passing options as opposed to actually cutting off options when someone is able to pick their head up and look forward
I wasn't expecting them to showcase any slick passing. The team is plays fairly pragmatically. The way Modric and Kroos can control the tempo and wriggle themselves out of every situation is impressive. It's like both of them split the responsibilities of the DLP without making incisive passes (though they've shown in the past that they can make those passes if they want), always showing to the man with the ball as a safety valve. It's a good system to use control games, which they do so damn well. Especially in Europe.
Nonetheless you could still see their quality in the moments we did choose to press which wasn't really surprising because their simple one twos and passing and moving is second to none in midfield
Posted on 5/26/18 at 5:21 pm to crazy4lsu
Definitely. Even if it wasn't engineered, Florentino and Zidane need to claim responsibility for the construction of this team. Because they're uncannily good in a knockout format
Posted on 5/26/18 at 5:24 pm to joey barton
quote:I think this year was a little bit of an outlier too because they're built to make runs at multiple trophies too, see last year. This year was a little unlucky with some of their early injuries, but they just have a damn good squad with talent, experience, and young up and comers willing to fight for their place and wait for their turn as well. Hard to keep everyone happy in that situation
Because they're uncannily good in a knockout format
Posted on 5/26/18 at 5:28 pm to joey barton
Madrid have a good enough core to build on once Ronaldo leaves. Kovacic is a damn fine CM. It's also a shame that Bale seems dead set on leaving as when he's healthy he's awesome (which is only like 35% of the time). He could have been a stop gap, but I think he goes somewhere else.
Posted on 5/26/18 at 5:31 pm to TheZaba
That was what surprised me. I thought Madrid played into Pool's hands with the Isco move. Isco's a great player but his free role wasn't as effective because Henderson wasn't getting drawn out of position. The Salah injury did changed the whole dynamic of the match so that a little miscalculation by Zidane worked out in his favor. That's also indicative of the type of luck Madrid has gotten during their CL run.
Posted on 5/26/18 at 5:35 pm to crazy4lsu
Yea I thought for sure Bale would start especially with the way he's been playing lately. Nonetheless him coming on fresh at 60 minutes was dangerous as hell too and it worked out so can't say much about it
Posted on 5/26/18 at 5:45 pm to TheZaba
Yeah, a lot of wild cards though. Is Sergio Ramos going to be the best defender ever or a complete mongoloid? Is Marcelo going to get exposed while he's hanging out in the final third? Is Keylor going to do some crazy shite or have trouble with his height? Is old Ronaldo going to have enough chances to end some team? Exceptional team with easily exploitable weaknesses
Posted on 5/26/18 at 6:01 pm to joey barton
I wonder how bad Salah’s injury is? If he misses the World Cup Ramos better sleep with one eye open with a crazy Egyptian lurking somewhere ready to pounce.
Posted on 5/26/18 at 6:03 pm to TheZaba
Zizzou got the tactics spot on
Posted on 5/26/18 at 6:05 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Zizzou got the tactics spot on
It's also nice when you can bring a player with Bale's capabilities on from your bench.
Posted on 5/26/18 at 6:18 pm to TheZaba
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Have you met Adam Bogdan and Simon Mignolet???
I'll take some dumb mistakes from a 24 year old in a situation he's never been in, than some of the crap keeping I've seen from us the past 3 years
Your best keeper has been on loan and was on the bench today. That's bad management, IMO.
This post was edited on 5/26/18 at 6:20 pm
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