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re: Super League may NOT actually be happening!
Posted on 4/18/21 at 6:56 pm to TomRollTideRitter
Posted on 4/18/21 at 6:56 pm to TomRollTideRitter
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I disagree. There are exactly 5 conferences that pay each team money that equate to the five main domestic leagues. CFB is the American sport that is the most similar to European soccer.
I think it’s a pretty appropriate comparison.
It can be both the best possible comparison and a false equivalency.
The monetary setup is entirely different.
Where are the NCAA-governed side tourneys that the CFB teams play?
If those existed and generated ridiculous revenue, then we could probably have that conversation.
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Posted on 4/18/21 at 6:57 pm to crazy4lsu
I think it disincentivizes clubs from pulling a Blazer(s). They’ll take the money and pour it into the club, but I don’t think they’ll turn down the money. I mean, Perez is the ringleader in all of this, and while he’s made mistakes, he’s a shrewd and ruthless fricker. I’m sure he sees it as a way to generate an almost insurmountable competitive advantage.
Posted on 4/18/21 at 6:59 pm to hendersonshands
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then watch the Champions League
That’s the point
This is trying to take place of that
But their domestic leagues are then saying they will ban them from domestic play
Posted on 4/18/21 at 7:00 pm to I Bleed Garnet
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This is trying to take place of that
By whose estimation, if the stated intent of this super league is that it runs parallel toUEFA and national soccer federation events like UCL or the FA Cup?
Posted on 4/18/21 at 7:01 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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City and Chelsea don’t need the money for obvious reasons
But they are not going to let the other four clubs get in on all the fun
Yeah, that's what the reporting is looking like currently. I respect they held out so long and I understand not wanting to be left out when shite apparently got serious but frick.
These are the same mother frickers that have been trying to nail our arse to the wall for a decade. I always liked that we kind of said frick em and didn't try to play nice with UEFA and the "global elites" as they're now calling themselves.
Esteemed Kompany (MC fan channel) nailed it
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I wish I could pretend I could just frick off and support another club, but that's the entire point of this whole thing isn't it? We're City fans, and this is why it hurts. We can't just go and *choose* another side. City is a huge part of us. No club will ever mean anything to me.
So we're essentially emotionally blackmailed. We either give up on football altogether, which is insane to even think out loud, or we watch them and clap on shallowly, pretending we're fine with it all. It's brutal as frick. Callous, flippant. We're just irrelevant.
Posted on 4/18/21 at 7:03 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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It’s really on the domestic leagues now to kick them out.
I don’t think they will
Posted on 4/18/21 at 7:04 pm to DByrd2
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It's an investment. I am all about a free market.
Is it? How many terrible buys did these top six clubs make with the windfall of TV cash? It sure seems like they are insulated regardless of what they do, which undermines the free market argument. They just want a situation where they can be even more reckless and not suffer the consequences, or any consequences at all.
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If the big leagues and domestic tournaments are willing to eat that profit and take a stand, then I'll applaud them.
The Sky TV money arguably made things worse. The standard of play this decade was awful. Restructuring the league so that there are more consequences for buying wildly, and buying poorly, or not having a youth system in place is a good thing in the long-term.
The German league has the right idea in terms of youth structure, and the investment they made in 2000 has produced dividends for the last few footballing generations. It’s an intensely silly scenario that owners who did absolutely frick-all to make the clubs big in the first place get to reap rewards like they built these clubs with their own hands. In that case, I can excuse Chelsea and Man City to an extent. But it is so insane that Stan Kroneke, who has to have his grubby little paws all over this, gets to see the windfall of what Wenger built, or that Barca gets a windfall for the sheer fact that Leo Messi is both the best playmaker in the world and an absolutely clinical finisher.
I can’t wait until they start buying more meme players. It won’t end terribly, I promise.
Posted on 4/18/21 at 7:04 pm to DByrd2
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It's an investment. I am all about a free market.
It’s not a free market. Unless you support any owner who made money through a command economy having to forfeit their team, you aren’t supporting a “free market.”
Working as an international consultant, you learn pretty quick the free market tropes are nonsense. Since the economy became truly global, it hasn’t been a free market.
Hell we just went through a year where every major world government forced the closure of millions of businesses to stop the spread of COVID. What free market are you talking about?
Posted on 4/18/21 at 7:05 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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City and Chelsea don’t need the money for obvious reasons
No one can ever have “enough money”
Posted on 4/18/21 at 7:06 pm to joey barton
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I mean, Perez is the ringleader in all of this, and while he’s made mistakes, he’s a shrewd and ruthless fricker. I’m sure he sees it as a way to generate an almost insurmountable competitive advantage.
Perez arguably learned his lesson through his expensive mistakes he made with the first Galacticos. That he’s learned doesn’t mean he isn’t still myopic. Or that these clubs will use the money well.
Shouldn’t Messi and Ronaldo get some windfall from this, since they are more responsible for the successes of a few clubs in this “super” league than the owners?
Posted on 4/18/21 at 7:07 pm to TomRollTideRitter
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I disagree. There are exactly 5 conferences that pay each team money that equate to the five main domestic leagues. CFB is the American sport that is the most similar to European soccer.
I think it’s a pretty appropriate comparison.
I can’t believe on a site where people melt when Alabama gets in the playoff with one loss, people are advocating for a .500 Arsenal squad to get into the continent’s premier competition
CFB is basically like this already, you got the P5 outside of that no one really has a chance
The league will also have 5 spots that are awarded year by year
So it’s comparable to the yearly G5 team that goes undefeated and everyone yells should be in the CFP
Posted on 4/18/21 at 7:08 pm to DByrd2
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Where are the NCAA-governed side tourneys that the CFB teams play?
If those existed and generated ridiculous revenue, then we could probably have that conversation.
I would argue any bowl or neutral site could be qualified this way.
And if the scenario Dr. RC laid out happened, Ole Miss, South Carolina, etc. creating some side competition would only make the situation marginally better even if the automatic playoff qualifiers still played conference games.
Posted on 4/18/21 at 7:09 pm to DByrd2
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By whose estimation, if the stated intent of this super league is that it runs parallel toUEFA and national soccer federation events like UCL or the FA Cup?
I thought this is what this league was trying to do for these 20 teams
But I guess you’re right. Unless UEFA kicks them out
Posted on 4/18/21 at 7:12 pm to TomRollTideRitter
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It’s not a free market. Unless you support any owner who made money through a command economy having to forfeit their team, you aren’t supporting a “free market.”
Working as an international consultant, you learn pretty quick the free market tropes are nonsense. Since the economy became truly global, it hasn’t been a free market.
Hell we just went through a year where every major world government forced the closure of millions of businesses to stop the spread of COVID. What free market are you talking about?
Totally get and agree with all that. Doesn't mean I can't still support free market principles.
Is there a law against them doing this?
If so, then cool. Sue them and keep them from separating. If not, deal with it. The sport will evolve with or without you if you are UEFA.
And as I said before, if all of the leagues and domestic tourneys ban these teams, I'll applaud them. Even as a Liverpool fan.
Posted on 4/18/21 at 7:15 pm to DByrd2
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Doesn't mean I can't still support free market principles.
What are the free market principles at play here?
Posted on 4/18/21 at 7:15 pm to TomRollTideRitter
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I would argue any bowl or neutral site could be qualified this way.
The compensation is peanuts in comparison, and gets those teams essentially nothing for the next season of competition. That's why I am taking that stance in the debate between us.
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And if the scenario Dr. RC laid out happened, Ole Miss, South Carolina, etc. creating some side competition would only make the situation marginally better even if the automatic playoff qualifiers still played conference games.
Again, if a team wins the Natty one year, they aren't guaranteed a playoff spot the next season automatically. Pro/Rel is another dynamic here that makes this a false equivalency.
Posted on 4/18/21 at 7:16 pm to crazy4lsu
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What are the free market principles at play here?
The ones where you see an investment opportunity and make moves to accomplish it.
As far as I am aware, there are no laws being broken in them doing this. So what's the problem?
Posted on 4/18/21 at 7:16 pm to Srbtiger06
City fans can go back to supporting Stockport and Bolton
United fans can get on the Salford and FC United train
United fans can get on the Salford and FC United train
Posted on 4/18/21 at 7:17 pm to crazy4lsu
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Shouldn’t Messi and Ronaldo get some windfall from this, since they are more responsible for the successes of a few clubs in this “super” league than the owners?
CR7 Pestana: Official Hotel of the European Super League
Would probably make me laugh less than when Ronaldo does shite like plug Egyptian Steel on his Instagram. ETA: Amazing
This post was edited on 4/18/21 at 7:23 pm
Posted on 4/18/21 at 7:17 pm to DByrd2
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The ones where you see an investment opportunity and make moves to accomplish it.
A closed system isn’t a free market
That’s why so many people have issues with MLS
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