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Soccer adding extra refs, would it hurt?

Posted on 2/22/15 at 8:36 pm
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161246 posts
Posted on 2/22/15 at 8:36 pm
I didn't realize they only had a guy on the lines and a man in middle today. Seems nuts that a sport with so much going on doesn't have more referees.

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The answer to our problems is to add referees. The fact that we still ask one lone official to cover an entire soccer pitch is quite frankly ridiculous. Basketball uses three officials to cover a much smaller court. Football uses anywhere from five to eight. Yet in soccer, we’re still stuck with one, plus whatever the linesmen feel like adding, which sometimes isn’t much. Here’s where the linesman was on the potential Simon Mignolet handball today:


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He’s so far behind the play, there’s no good angle to make an accurate call. And people want to tell us extra officials wouldn’t help? How is the linesman that far back? Because he’s trying to concentrate on 800 things at one time.

Look, officiating is an impossible task. Asking humans to be inherently flawless is a losing battle, always has been a losing battle, and always will be a losing battle. So why are we setting the best in the world up to fail, and then publicly humiliating them when they do on a weekly basis? Isn’t this ludicrous? We’ll never get a perfectly officiated game. What we can do is be reasonable.

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Here’s my best attempt at a workable system. If you feel you have a better one, by all means let’s hear it. This is an open forum, a positive discussion to better the game.

It would be a combination of the basketball and football refereeing systems. Your head official remains in the center of the pitch. He and only he can issue cards, and he would preside over all official discussions. His main responsibility would be the center of the pitch.
There would be one official assigned to each penalty area. They would be positioned next to one of the goal posts standing out of play. They would be allowed to whistle any fouls in or out of the penalty area they see, but their primary responsibility would be to watch the penalty area. For any foul they believe to be bookable offenses, they would consult the head official who would be instructed to trust his coworkers unless he is 100% certain he must overrule their judgement – same as in the NFL. Penalties are almost always game-changing calls, why are we asking referees standing on the midline to suddenly follow a long ball forward, and then make a call when 30 yards behind?
The linesmen would stay in their usual areas, and could make foul calls near the touchline, but their main duties would be to monitor offsides calls. With the added officials in each final third, their responsibilities to call fouls would be alleviated, allowing them to focus on making the hardest call in all of sports.



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Posted by wm72
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2010
9380 posts
Posted on 2/22/15 at 8:59 pm to
Serie A already has 2 extra officials at each goal who's job is to get a different angles of infractions in and around the penalty areas.

It does work better than leagues without them but I do think the added officials can be a bit too reticent to call somewhat borderline but clear penalties ect that the main official lets go.

This post was edited on 2/22/15 at 9:02 pm
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39571 posts
Posted on 2/22/15 at 10:35 pm to
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It does work better than leagues without them but I do think the added officials can be a bit too reticent to call somewhat borderline but clear penalties ect that the main official lets go.


There might have to be a reworking of the rules so that every penalty isn't so immensely important, as in a penalty is given when there is a clear goal scoring opportunity otherwise a foul in the box is given an indirect freekick or something. Officials are always reticent to call penalties, so players will feel they can get away with anything in the box, and they will continue to feel that way no matter how many officials are on the field. We've seen referee's ruined because they were hesitant to call a penalty in big games (i.e. Howard Webb, who was never the same after WC 2010), because a penalty, rightly or wrongly called, will change the whole complexion of the game. Either referee's start calling every little foul in the box so players know that what counts for a foul outside the box counts for one inside the box.

Unless we can have an objective source, where maybe a video official can review footage immediately, then I don't know how to fix the referee problem.
Posted by wm72
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2010
9380 posts
Posted on 2/22/15 at 10:46 pm to
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There might have to be a reworking of the rules so that every penalty isn't so immensely important, as in a penalty is given when there is a clear goal scoring opportunity otherwise a foul in the box is given an indirect freekick or something.


Yeah, that's a good point. Just for example, every match has multiple instances where a defender shoulders a player in a way that would be called without question outside the box.

Usually you can kind of see the point that it was on the edge of the box or there wasn't a really clear chance so would be a harsh penalty but it really kills the beauty of the buildup/attack when it's constantly let go.

An indirect free kick may be a good answer for that type foul in the box.



This post was edited on 2/23/15 at 6:10 pm
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161246 posts
Posted on 2/23/15 at 5:39 pm to
So would 1 official on each side of the field be too much?
Posted by wm72
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2010
9380 posts
Posted on 2/23/15 at 6:08 pm to
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So would 1 official on each side of the field be too much?


I still think the idea of a single official who's ultimately responsible is best as, at least in theory, it allows the official to set the tone of the match and call all the midfield the same way.

For all the basketball analogies, I tend to think big league soccer is officiated better (more evenly) than basketball even if there are certainly problems.



I think adding extra officials to get a different, closer view of the penalty area should be done every where like in Serie A.

I don't think that there's a lot that they miss by simply being out of position with the 2 extra officials behind the area.

The problem, (as crazyforlsu points out) is that they aren't very consistent in calling what they see just fine inside the area and much of that is not wanting to give too many penalties and red cards. To consistently not do it really affects the smooth flow of the match a lot of times and mainly the beautiful attacks people want to see.

Though leniency in punishing "tactical fouls" is a huge problem as well.



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