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re: So it's kneel against racism week in the Premier League

Posted on 4/9/25 at 12:39 pm to
Posted by SUB
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Posted on 4/9/25 at 12:39 pm to
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am not aware of fans at sporting events harassing women with breast cancer.



That's not the point I was making...but please, go on

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I do not know anyone that yells hate at women with breast cancer at sporting events. Or harass women’s families online over breast cancer during sporting events.


But fans sing racist chants at sporting events

Fans yell racist hate at players.

Fans harass players and family online during sporting events.


So we need the kneeling to stop bad behavior in games? Yeah, that will for sure work. Mexican fans, even when repeatedly told that they will stop the game if they keep chanting Puto, keep doing it. People don't like being lectured. So this wild premise you have is very short-sighted.

Just be honest. The kneeling is for white people to feel good about themselves in thinking that they are "fighting racism" while participating in some effortless performance art that actually does nothing for their cause.

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I would also argue it is not the same thing.


It is the same thing. It's injecting some activist cause into a sporting event to "raise awareness" blah blah blah.
This post was edited on 4/9/25 at 12:43 pm
Posted by lsugorilla
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Posted on 4/9/25 at 1:26 pm to
SUB.

We disagree.

But thank you for trying to help me understand why people are against it.

It is interesting the people that argue against anti-racism don’t start off with.

“I’m not racist but…”

Props to shrevtiger for being able to do so.

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Just be honest. The kneeling is for white people to feel good about themselves in thinking that they are "fighting racism" while participating in some effortless performance art that actually does nothing for their cause.


I am honest. I do feel good pointing out racism in all its hidden forms and political speech. Such as when people claim we need to get rid of anti-racism messaging.

I do not think it is some effortless performance art.


Be honest with yourself.

Why are you so against anti-racist messaging?

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Posted on 4/9/25 at 1:53 pm to
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It is interesting the people that argue against anti-racism don’t start off with.

“I’m not racist but…”


Because it is a contrived statement to make. I don't owe you or anyone some self-aggrandizing statement about my values and/or beliefs. People that feel that they HAVE to say it are actually more racist than they believe.

You say you aren't being virtuous or virtue signaling, yet don't even have the self-awareness to see that saying something like "I'm not racist" is blatant virtue signaling.
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Why are you so against anti-racist messaging?


We are talking about sports events. Activism does not belong there. I don't want nor do I need to be lectured by some rich athletes or executives about racism or whatever other activist topic they want to promote.
This post was edited on 4/9/25 at 2:04 pm
Posted by lsugorilla
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Posted on 4/9/25 at 2:05 pm to
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Because it is a contrived statement to make. I don't owe you or anyone some self-aggrandizing statement about my values and/or beliefs.


It is not owed. Or should be forced.

I’d just think you’d want people to know if you were not a racist

Since you are arguing against anti-racism messaging.
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Posted on 4/9/25 at 2:10 pm to
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saying something like "I'm not racist" is blatant virtue signaling.


I don’t think this is virtual signaling. I think it is just letting people to know that all the reasons given for anti-racism messaging are coming from all those reasons given. And not just blatant racism and just using everything else as an excuse.
Posted by lsugorilla
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Posted on 4/9/25 at 2:13 pm to
When someone can’t just say they are not something.
And come up with all kinds of reasons why they can’t just say it.
To me that says more than a lot of things

But we all think differently
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Posted on 4/9/25 at 2:16 pm to
Virtue

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I'm not racist


Signaling

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I think it is just letting people know


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I don’t think this is virtual signaling


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Posted on 4/9/25 at 2:23 pm to
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I’d just think you’d want people to know if you were not a racist

Since you are arguing against anti-racism messaging.


But I'm not, and never said or implied that is what my argument is about. I'm arguing against activism at sports events, no matter the topic.

"Anti-racism" is a whole different topic that I'm not going to get into.
Posted by RandySavage
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Posted on 4/9/25 at 3:41 pm to
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If you are not racist. Why would you be against seconds of an anti racism message?


Because it's a completely hollow meaningless gesture that does absolutely nothing and only serves to further the false narrative that racism is a widespread issue.

This creates the type of morons who see everything through the lens of race and lead to situations like hundreds of thousands of dollars being raised to support a murderer because of his skin color like this track thug in Texas. As an aside, your accusation that people can't think on their own is hilarious considering who you're sticking up for. Further, this false narrative leads to situations where people are killed and billions of dollars worth of property are stolen/destroyed because a thug criminal died as a result of his numerous poor choices.

Further, nothing would make a true racist more happy than to see that their racist actions were upsetting people. They aren't sitting around self-reflecting because some soccer players a taking a knee. They are celebrating that people living much better lives than they consider them important enough to notice despite their sad hateful existence.

Further further, we can't make any progress to actually help people because even bringing up that there are issues that need fixing in the first place is racist thus the cycle of failure continues and is blamed on... you guessed it, racism.

Us normal white folk just want to watch a soccer game, or football game, or whatever without being forced fed dumb, and false, political/racial narratives.

Posted by RandySavage
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Posted on 4/9/25 at 3:43 pm to
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It’s like starting a post bitching there is an American flag on a pole on someone’s lawn or in front of another building.

“Oh man look at this guy virtue signaling with his meaningless symbolism we need to get the HOA on this now“.


It's not like that at all. If you want to use that sort of logic it would be like someone flying a black power flag or a confederate flag which is obviously promoting tribalism.
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