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re: RONALDO appreciation thread!
Posted on 2/15/18 at 7:11 pm to BengalShark
Posted on 2/15/18 at 7:11 pm to BengalShark
I take cr7 for my GOAT and messi is 1b.
To me ronaldo is just a guy that gets the ball in the net with the head and either foot.
He is by far the most complete player of all time and I don't know how you argue it.
Messi is supposedly a "god" but here we a guy that is right there with sheer athleticism and power and he can do it all.
Ronaldo has also won it all in England and Spain.
Nothing left to prove to anyone.
To me ronaldo is just a guy that gets the ball in the net with the head and either foot.
He is by far the most complete player of all time and I don't know how you argue it.
Messi is supposedly a "god" but here we a guy that is right there with sheer athleticism and power and he can do it all.
Ronaldo has also won it all in England and Spain.
Nothing left to prove to anyone.
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Posted on 2/15/18 at 7:18 pm to BengalShark
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Ronaldo is better than Messi right now in my opinion, not to say Messi couldn’t pass him up, but he’s won 3 of last 4 champions leagues and went back to back... he also has won Euro Cup (widely considered 2nd hardest international tourney), yes Messi did go to World Cup final but he failed to score a single goal in knockout stage. Finally ronaldo also won a champions league at Man U (the last one they ever won I might add) so he has shown he can get it done no matter where he is.
Ascribing team accomplishments to individual players is ridiculous. I mean, if you are going to criticize Messi for not scoring during the knockout stages, why would you give credit to Ronaldo for winning the Euros when he was injured early in the game against France and left the game? Messi had 4 goals in WC 2014, and played rather brilliantly that WC on an injury, and Argentina's loss against Germany shouldn't be held against him. I mean, if Gignac buries that chance he had at the edge of the six in the 90th minute, would we blame Ronaldo for that?
Messi is by far the more versatile player. Messi is the better dribbler, has superb vision, and is the focal point of the attack. Ronaldo is superb at timing his runs, heading, and getting upfield quickly, but he could never pull the strings like Messi does.
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and finally Ronaldo has more goals than games played at Real Madrid, Messi does not have more goals than games played at Barcelona
This is a bit dishonest. Firstly Messi had around 100 games for Barcelona while he was still a teenager, and was in the developmental stage. His first glimpses of domination came at the end of the 2007 season, when he returned from a foot fracture and had 11 goals in his last 13 games. The next season he lead the line as a 20 year old, although he only contributed 10 goals. If we are going to be fair, should we hold Ronaldo's developmental years against him too? Using your logic you are holding Messi staying at one club against him.
Since Ronaldo's arrived at Real, he's scored 296 league goals in 283 games. Messi has scored 315 goals in 296 games. Messi's goal per game ratio is marginally better. Also it's not like Barcelona's last CL win was ancient history. It was only in 2015. He's won La Liga 5 times since Ronaldo arrived, the CL 2 times, and the Ballon d'Or five times. I see him as the better player because he's the focal point of the attack while Ronaldo requires excellent service on top of his ability to create his own goals.
This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 7:19 pm
Posted on 2/15/18 at 11:21 pm to crazy4lsu
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Ascribing team accomplishments to individual players is ridiculous.
This.
I think Messi will go down as the best of all time once both of their careers are over. Cristiano has been on some really well coached teams lately and that has helped his recent form. That doesn’t take away from his accomplishments on the field, but saying Messi is somehow less of a player because of a lack of his team’s winning international tournaments is silly.
If we were to have this conversation just a few years ago people would be saying Messi is the undoubted GOAT. Players have good runs of form and Ronaldo has had a very solid last few years. That’s said, Messi won 4 Ballon d’Or in a row between 09 and 2012, when Ronaldo was in his prime athletic years (24-29). Messi won his first ballon d’or at a year younger than Ronaldo. There is a reason why Ronaldo and Messi have each won five of the past ten ballon d’or. They are both so incredible it’s almost unfair to compare them, because they are both incredible athletes and technicians who have similar but in many ways different/unique skillsets.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 11:31 pm to cwil177
And what's lost in all this is Messi was playing on arguably the best Barcelona side and club side ever during Ronaldo's prime. But there's just something off that the supposed GOAT can't win with teams that have included Aguero, Tevez, Higuain, Di Maria, Pastore, Dybala, Mascherano etc.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:28 am to jrtplaya21
Being coached by the likes of Maradona doesn’t help.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 3:12 am to cwil177
Cristiano Ronaldo's last 12 UCL matches:
Bayern (A): 2 goals
Bayern (H): 3 goals
Atletico (H): 3 goals
Atletico (A):
Juve (Final): 2 goals
Apoel (H): 2 goals
BVB (A): 2 goals
Spurs (H): 1 goal
Spurs (A): 1 goal
Apoel (A): 1 goal
BVB (H): 1 goal
PSG (H): ????
Bayern (A): 2 goals
Bayern (H): 3 goals
Atletico (H): 3 goals
Atletico (A):
Juve (Final): 2 goals
Apoel (H): 2 goals
BVB (A): 2 goals
Spurs (H): 1 goal
Spurs (A): 1 goal
Apoel (A): 1 goal
BVB (H): 1 goal
PSG (H): ????
This post was edited on 2/16/18 at 3:14 am
Posted on 2/16/18 at 5:40 am to crazy4lsu
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crazy4lsu
well put...
Posted on 2/16/18 at 5:41 am to jrtplaya21
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And what's lost in all this is Messi was playing on arguably the best Barcelona side and club side ever during Ronaldo's prime. But there's just something off that the supposed GOAT can't win with teams that have included Aguero, Tevez, Higuain, Di Maria, Pastore, Dybala, Mascherano etc.
Thats always been part of their problem... trying to get the right fit in attack, since many of those play in the same position...
not to mention they've had a rather average defense and GK over his time on the NT
Posted on 2/16/18 at 6:23 am to crazy4lsu
Regardless of who you think is better or has had a better career, I think there’s no argument that CR7 is the greatest footballer of all time in the European Cup.
Maybe it’s part of being at Real Madrid, where European football is more important than anything, but the man is an absolute machine in the Champion’s League.
Maybe it’s part of being at Real Madrid, where European football is more important than anything, but the man is an absolute machine in the Champion’s League.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 2:24 pm to cupchu1
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I think there’s no argument that CR7 is the greatest footballer of all time in the European Cup.
I mean, there is plenty of argument to be had. Messi has been apart of 4 CL title teams, and was instrumental in victories against Real in key games when both Ronaldo and Messi were in the prime of their careers. Messi has 97 goals in 121 UCL matches, while Ronaldo has 116 goals in 147. Messi's goals per game ratio is better, and if he plays long enough, has a chance to be the highest scorer in CL history, as Ronaldo has a 2 year head start on him.
This post was edited on 2/16/18 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 2/16/18 at 3:33 pm to crazy4lsu
Ronaldo is the only player outside of Di Stefano to score in 3 Finals. Messi didn't even play the 06 one. And instrumental in numerous victories? Messi has played Madrid twice in the CL. At some point he's going to drop into the midfield full time and his scoring will drop. Ronaldo is actually ahead of his scoring pace in all competitions at this stage of the season compared to last year. My favorite stat though is Ronaldo has scored 56 goals in 69 knockout stage games compared to Messi having 37 in 58.
This post was edited on 2/16/18 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 2/16/18 at 4:03 pm to jrtplaya21
Messi plays deeper already. And I didn't say he played in the final of 06. I know that. He did play in 6 games, and was praised for his CL performance as a teenager.
I think Messi's better, but it's cool you think Ronaldo is better. Having a scoring rate that is slightly better across the board in evenly done metrics which do not favor Ronaldo by virtue of his age seem to bear out Messi's superiority.
I think Messi's better, but it's cool you think Ronaldo is better. Having a scoring rate that is slightly better across the board in evenly done metrics which do not favor Ronaldo by virtue of his age seem to bear out Messi's superiority.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 4:11 pm to crazy4lsu
I think they are better in different aspects. Messi's peak is better than Ronaldo's. Messi is the better passer, dribbler and playmaker. While I believe Ronaldo is the better scorer based on the variety of goals he can give you & he's the better big game player imo. Plus Ronaldo plays slightly better defense if that matters & his game translates better for club & country.
This post was edited on 2/16/18 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 2/16/18 at 4:37 pm to jrtplaya21
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Plus Ronaldo plays slightly better defense if that matters & his game translates better for club & country.
This is revisionism. Ronaldo had the same sorts of troubles with Portugal that Messi had with Argentina, namely managers who didn't understand how to build teams around them. Despite this Ronaldo has reached two finals of continental tournaments and won one, and Messi has reached three finals of continental tournaments and won zero. These are team achievements, and Portugal won the Euros based on a deep block set that essentially freed Ronaldo from defensive responsibilities, and had midfield balance. Argentina in the same era had massive issues with balance, as they had trouble fitting in Aguero, Tevez, Messi, Di Maria and Higuain all in the same team, and lacked a deep playmaker who could link defense and attack while also not being a lightweight in defensive sets. Portugal this past Euros had William Carvalho, who served as an amazing safety valve for high block situations, and was a good enough passer to make 1st station passes to midfielders so that Ronaldo didn't have to drop deep.
Hence why ascribing team accomplishments to individuals does a disservice to individual performances. Messi played fantastically well in WC 2014, and was one of the highest rated players according to metrics. Should he be blamed that Higuain was profligate with clear cut chances?
Posted on 2/16/18 at 6:07 pm to crazy4lsu
No he shouldn't take the blame but it's going to be held against him if Argentina never wins anything. If Messi had just decided to play for Spain we probably wouldn't be having any of these debates ha.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:32 pm to crazy4lsu
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I think Messi's better, but it's cool you think Ronaldo is better.
Messi is better, but Ronaldo has performed better in UCL, is what I’m saying.
The goal ratio isn’t quite there, but I don’t doubt Ronaldo will still finish ahead of Messi. I believe he didn’t score in his first 20 or so UCL matches (a few with Sporting, the rest with United) when he was still a teenager, but after that his numbers have been astounding. I think if he had the luxury of being worked in like Messi was, his ratio would be better as well.
And, Ronaldo has played in more important UCL games than Messi, and played better in those games.
Maybe it’s not without question for the time being, but one more UCL cup win and some typical strong performances over the next couple of years will cement his status. If he carries Madrid to the final this year it’ll be fricking legendary.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:38 pm to cupchu1
Portugal's Euro win was one of the biggest flukes of all time and Bitchnaldo didn't even make it to halftime. After they drew their way to the knockout round.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 12:19 am to cupchu1
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And, Ronaldo has played in more important UCL games than Messi, and played better in those games.
I have no idea how you can say this. Yes Ronaldo has been on fire recently, but it's not like Messi has played all that poorly all that much in the CL. I also don't know what the metric of "more important games" is. It's not like Barcelona loses in the knockout stages to minnows. Since 2008, excluding the years they've won, they've lost to only teams who ended up in the finals, despite bowing out occasionally in the QF. He's been leading scorer of the tournament five times and lead the tournament in assists twice, including one year where he was tied for top scorer and had the most assists, which reflect his role as the linchpin for everything Barcelona does.
I mean, the suggestion that Ronaldo has "played in more important games" is utterly asinine. It's a meaningless phrase. I've watched him play in plenty of big games in the CL. Literally every tie in the knockout rounds would qualify as a "big game."
Posted on 2/17/18 at 12:20 am to crazy4lsu
There's a bunch of faggy Ronaldo dick riders in this thread baw.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 7:55 am to jrtplaya21
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Ronaldo has scored 56 goals in 69 knockout stage games compared to Messi having 37 in 58.
Also right now ronaldo has 11 goals in 7 games in Champions League currently which is 1st place.
Messi only has 3 goals in 6 games in Champions League right now which is tied for 20th place with 13 other players.
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