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re: Open Letter to ESPN re: World Cup

Posted on 6/3/10 at 10:17 am to
Posted by More beer please
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 6/3/10 at 10:17 am to
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but most soccer haters tend to be old)


I strongly disagree with this
Posted by BenHOGan
Kansas City
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 6/3/10 at 10:18 am to
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My observation still stands:


You did not have an observation. You had a reply to a post. An observation must begin with "I now make the observation that..." Right?
Posted by TN Bhoy
San Antonio, TX
Member since Apr 2010
60589 posts
Posted on 6/3/10 at 10:20 am to
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"I now make the observation that..."


You were whining about a commercial!

So, SIUYA and GIRUY.
Posted by More beer please
Member since Feb 2010
46239 posts
Posted on 6/3/10 at 10:20 am to
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Why should their support not be counted when discussing the increased popularity of soccer in the US?


Because they are ILLEGAL immigrants. Someone was trying to prove that Americans are enjoying soccer at a rapid rate. I was stating it is skewed some because the TV ratings do not take into account the number of illegal immigrants watching soccer.
Posted by thenry712
Zasullia, Ukraine
Member since Nov 2008
15795 posts
Posted on 6/3/10 at 10:20 am to
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I love soccer, but I completely understand why people are turned off by soccer fans. While I have no sympathy for anyone starting a thread to bash a sport (that just makes you an a-hole), in their defense of soccer, several fans have taken it upon themselves to rip on football, baseball, and hockey... proving they are no different than anti-soccer people



Baloo, I think the some of the sentiment against other sports shown by soccer fans stems from a defensive stance that many soccer fans have to constantly take for their sport. No other sports fan in America (outside of maybe NASCAR) has to constantly deflect criticism like soccer fans. If a person meets another guy who is a huge hockey fan, the non-hockey fan probably won't diatribe against hockey because it's an established sport. I've encountered several people who feel like bashing soccer is acceptable because they feel like they have the false pretense of the backing of the American sports fan.
Posted by BenHOGan
Kansas City
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 6/3/10 at 10:21 am to
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So, SIUYA and GIRUY.


And I retort with LUF.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39157 posts
Posted on 6/3/10 at 10:21 am to
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Because they are ILLEGAL immigrants. Someone was trying to prove that Americans are enjoying soccer at a rapid rate. I was stating it is skewed some because the TV ratings do not take into account the number of illegal immigrants watching soccer.


Wouldn't it skew all sports some?
Posted by More beer please
Member since Feb 2010
46239 posts
Posted on 6/3/10 at 10:24 am to
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Wouldn't it skew all sports some?


Jesus Christ do you not read? I said it skews sports and gave the NBA as an example because someone asked about it. But most illegal immigrants love soccer more than any other sport because it is so popular around the world. Therefore the soccer ratings would be more skewed than NBA, NFL or any other "established" American sport
Posted by SUB
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Posted on 6/3/10 at 10:28 am to
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the fans who bought the most tickets to the WC are U.S. fans...

I can't find the thread but I'll look.

So yeah...Americans obviously don't care about soccer...or maybe it's just backwoods hillbilly people.
This post was edited on 6/3/10 at 10:33 am
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39157 posts
Posted on 6/3/10 at 10:28 am to
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Therefore the soccer ratings would be more skewed than NBA, NFL or any other "established" American sport


Do you have any evidence that they are responsible for increased ratings?
Posted by DestrehanTiger
Houston, TX by way of Louisiana
Member since Nov 2005
13134 posts
Posted on 6/3/10 at 10:28 am to
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Jesus Christ do you not read? I said it skews sports and gave the NBA as an example because someone asked about it. But most illegal immigrants love soccer more than any other sport because it is so popular around the world. Therefore the soccer ratings would be more skewed than NBA, NFL or any other "established" American sport


Even though they are illegal, they are still spending money on soccer inside the US boarders. They are still watching TV. The ratings aren't skewed because they are there to show how many people in the US are watching soccer.
Posted by PurpleandGold Motown
Birmingham, Alabama
Member since Oct 2007
23905 posts
Posted on 6/3/10 at 10:28 am to
And their children will be Americans. So I guess those numbers are only 10-15 years premature.

I honestly don't think the number of "illegal" immigrants skews television numbers that much, but even if they do, it doesn't change the fact that soccer is growing in popularity within the United States.
Posted by More beer please
Member since Feb 2010
46239 posts
Posted on 6/3/10 at 10:29 am to
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Do you have any evidence that they are responsible for increased ratings?


No, I have logic and common sense. You probably dont want to believe it and will just disregard it.
Posted by AUTigLN11
Marietta
Member since Mar 2010
4833 posts
Posted on 6/3/10 at 10:30 am to
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I am an American. I do not care about the World Cup. I know you know I am a U2 fan, but hiring Bono to tell me to care about the world cup will not work either. ESPN, you are smart. You should know that there is nothing wrong with us Americans being indifferent to the "world's game." Just because most other countries think their entire self worth depends on how their team does in this tournament, it doesn't mean we have to care too.

I am asking nicely that you quit trying to make me interested in this silly world cup. I have never cared for this sport. I never will. It bores me. Let the world have their sport. We have College football, NFL, and a bunch of other things that are more appealing to our American sensibilities. And that is fine. Doesn't make us any less sophisticated. Doesn't mean we're ignorant. It just means we prefer other sports to soccer.

So, ESPN, please quit trying to make me interested in the world cup. It's awful. I'm never going to get into it. Not now. And not when some chick takes her top off after a goal. OK - that part I liked, but not the 90 minutes leading up to it. Let the world have its cup. Let us have our stuff. Quit wasting your energy trying to make us care.

Thank you for your kind attention to this matter.

Sincerely,


Ben HOGan
Football Fan & American


You don't have to care, but there are millions and millions in this country that do. A number that will blow away anything else they try and put on tv during those time slots or any baseball game they might show. Also, if you are a sports fan at all the World Cup has to have some appeal even if you're "indifferent" to the sport just because of the scale of the event. Luckily for you though nobody will force you to have your dial tuned to ESPN/ESPN2/ABC for the next month so instead of writing a whiny letter to ESPN why not just turn the channel like the rest of us do when baseball comes on?
Posted by More beer please
Member since Feb 2010
46239 posts
Posted on 6/3/10 at 10:31 am to
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The ratings aren't skewed because they are there to show how many people in the US are watching soccer.


The point was made earlier that AMERICANS interest in soccer is increasing. Is an illegal immigrant an American? As soon as you answer this, you should understand my point. If not then you are more dense than I thought
Posted by Sheep
Neither here nor there
Member since Jun 2007
19694 posts
Posted on 6/3/10 at 10:32 am to
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it doesn't change the fact that soccer is growing in popularity within the United States.


Just because more people go to Sounders games than Mariners games, or Dynamo games than Rockets games, or Galaxy games than Laker games, doesn't mean soccer is growing in popularity.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39157 posts
Posted on 6/3/10 at 10:33 am to
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No, I have logic and common sense. You probably dont want to believe it and will just disregard it.


I'm actually looking for hard numbers numbnuts to confirm or deny your assertions. I don't live by my assumptions, I actually look for evidence.
Posted by DestrehanTiger
Houston, TX by way of Louisiana
Member since Nov 2005
13134 posts
Posted on 6/3/10 at 10:33 am to
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The point was made earlier that AMERICANS interest in soccer is increasing. Is an illegal immigrant an American? As soon as you answer this, you should understand my point. If not then you are more dense than I thought


The point was made that soccer is growing in America. Illegal immigrants aren't Americans. But when it comes to money and investing, the people promoting and growing the sport don't care if the money comes from an immigrant or an American, as long as it is coming in.
Posted by AUTigLN11
Marietta
Member since Mar 2010
4833 posts
Posted on 6/3/10 at 10:34 am to
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The CWS final series may have worse ratings than the USA vs. England match on June 12.


May? I would be surprised if USA England didnt triple that number.
Posted by More beer please
Member since Feb 2010
46239 posts
Posted on 6/3/10 at 10:35 am to
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the people promoting and growing the sport don't care if the money comes from an immigrant or an American, as long as it is coming in.


I understand, but my posts have been directed toward the poster who stated soccer is growing rapidly amongst AMERICANS and to say illegal immigrants are skewing the numbers equally for all of the sports is ignorant.
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