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re: News about the Reigning European and World Champions; Striker Issues

Posted on 6/26/12 at 3:31 pm to
Posted by ohiovol
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Posted on 6/26/12 at 3:31 pm to
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I was talking about prior to this tournament. Yeah, these two are just as important.


Ok, I was just clarifying. I think he had a couple of goals against Tunisia, too. I do agree, though, I'd be frustrated with him if I was Spanish.
This post was edited on 6/26/12 at 3:32 pm
Posted by ohiovol
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Posted on 6/26/12 at 3:33 pm to
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I'm interested as to why we haven't seen Llorente this tournament as well, especially considering he plays in a side like Bilbao that is high tempo and might link well with the current Spanish midfield. I think one of the biggest issues, outside of form, is the issue of service. Llorente's introduction might also require the presence of a player like Navas, who could provide service into Llorente. This might compromise the double pivot system that del Bosque seems deadset on using. Whether the double pivot is the best system to use is another question though.


Del Bosque, like many managers who have had success, may just be hesitant to change what he has suceeded with and is comfortable with.
This post was edited on 6/26/12 at 3:35 pm
Posted by Dandy Lion
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 6/26/12 at 3:33 pm to
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I'm interested as to why we haven't seen Llorente this tournament as well,

Are you ready for my conspiracy theory?
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 6/26/12 at 3:35 pm to
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Are you ready for my conspiracy theory?



Go on...
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 6/26/12 at 3:42 pm to
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Del Bosque, like many managers who have had success, may just be hesitant to change what he has suceeded with and is comfortable with.



True, but del Bosque's side is much more conservative than Aragones side, with mostly the same players. I think the addition of a second DM helps prevent the counterattack, but I'm not sure it helps their build-up. I think a big problem has arisen in defense, as with the injuries to Iraola and Puyol, Ramos had to move inside with Arbeloa at RB. Arbeloa is not a great RB, serviceable, but he doesn't provide the offensive width that Ramos did. It's also amazing to me that the country of Spain doesn't have any more options at CB that could push Ramos out to RB again. Javi Martinez would be a great option, but del Bosque is hesitant to change. Juan Fran might be a better option than Arbeloa. The double pivot provides central help to the D. It also helps with ball winning, as defenders can be more aggressive if they know they have cover. A single pivot system might not work in the same way, though the Spaniards might score more.
Posted by Dandy Lion
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 6/26/12 at 3:49 pm to
Whoever was talking about the compromising of the double pivot system through the introduction of Llorente, is correct.

Forget about the 4-4-2, Llorente is the man for the 4-1-4-1, but Marcos Senna is gone.

Spain misses Marcos Senna very, very much. A really, really underrated beast of a player.

There is no one of the destructive capability, field coverage, intelligence, clean, hard, respect inspiring tackling, and quality on the ball.

Busquets is a great destructor, and very, very good on the ball, but he couldn't pull off the single pivot responsibility, and we all know Alonso couldn't either.

As to the conspiracy, , Angel Villar, Spain's Director of the football federation and VP of both the FIFA and UEFA, who is a horse's rear end and friend of Platini, is also an Athletic de Bilbao alum. He doesn't want Bilbao to lose Llorente as well as Javi M., hence no playing time for Llorente.

ETA Iraola. Ding, ding, ding. Arbeloa is OK for Ireland, but not for Portugal, Germany.

I don't know why Javi isn't plugged in at CB and Ramos moved to RB (yeah I know, he's dodgey at times, but Ramos is a loaded gun in the hand of a chimpanzee wherever he plays). Now, it's definitely too late, Vincent Of The Forest won't risk it.
This post was edited on 6/26/12 at 3:58 pm
Posted by ohiovol
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 6/26/12 at 4:01 pm to
Are you American and living in Spain, or Spanish and living in America? Just curious. I think you've said it, but I forget.
This post was edited on 6/26/12 at 4:02 pm
Posted by Dandy Lion
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 6/26/12 at 4:19 pm to
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American and living in Spain, or Spanish and living in America?

both, and American in America, and Spaniard in Spain. Home, home, is in Spain.
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