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Monchi Has Left AS Roma

Posted on 3/8/19 at 10:42 am
Posted by Dandy Lion
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Posted on 3/8/19 at 10:42 am
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Oficial: Monchi deja el Roma El club romano ha emitido un comunicado en el que afirma que ha llegado a un acuerdo con el director deportivo de San Fernando para la rescisión de su contrato.


It is expected he'll be reunited in June with Unai Emery, at Arsenal .
Posted by crazy4lsu
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Posted on 3/8/19 at 11:00 am to
Not excited.
Posted by TFTC
Chicago, Il
Member since May 2010
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Posted on 3/8/19 at 11:04 am to
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Not excited.


Its kinda interesting that his time at Roma was not very "Monchi" like... At least what he was billed to be at Sevilla..
Posted by Dandy Lion
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 3/8/19 at 11:08 am to
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Its kinda interesting that his time at Roma was not very "Monchi" like... At least what he was billed to be at Sevilla..

I don't really follow much of Italian football. To be honest, Roma may be the side I like the most.

Anyway, hadn't heard either good nor bad things about his time there. They did go fairly deep in CL last year, I believe. Did they do poorly in their league?

I guess the main thing one would want to know, is whether or not he got some interesting talent at interesting prices during this time. I'm guessing no.

Posted by wm72
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 3/8/19 at 12:55 pm to


My post on Arsenal thread about yesterday:

Yeah, I was optimistic about Monchi coming to Roma. However, it's two consecutive summers that he's made a lot of moves that were widely criticized at the time and turned out even worse, or more naive, than they seemed.


This summer he managed to stockpile 4-5 guys that only seem to thrive in the most advance midfield slot while completely ignoring any mid that could do the defensive, positioning, pressing and possession box to box work Strootman provided.

That came after last summer where he spent €70m on 2 players that could only backup Dzeko when we desperately needed a direct Salah replacement.


All the while, his more desperately needed CB (and GK) acquisitions have been busts.

He has brought in a lot of really talented young players but it's an absolute "work in progress" in the sense that there's too many at same positions and none at others.


He's fallen quite short of in his own stated goal that the move to Roma and our budget would allow the incorporation of youth while not falling off the pace too much competitively.

In short, Roma had been doing better at replacing top players with talented youth before Monchi arrived.

In retrospect, I would have preferred he just bring in even more young players, finish 8th this year and not have all the high salaries of Pastore, Nzonzi, Marcano, Olsen he put on the books.


I would have hoped that he'd stay to clean up the mess but if the reports are true than he's ready to bail since Di Francesco was fired, it doesn't exactly endear me to him any more though I guess it was "show of solidarity" with Di Francesco.



Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 3/8/19 at 1:05 pm to
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Its kinda interesting that his time at Roma was not very "Monchi" like... At least what he was billed to be at Sevilla..



I straight up don't trust him to fix what actually needs to be fixed. We need lots of investment in young players to fix our problems. If we buy Ever Banega for 30 mil, I might give up on Arsenal.
Posted by wm72
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 3/8/19 at 1:20 pm to
quote:

Dandy Lion
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I guess the main thing one would want to know, is whether or not he got some interesting talent at interesting prices during this time.


quote:

crazy4lsu
quote:

I straight up don't trust him to fix what actually needs to be fixed. We need lots of investment in young players to fix our problems. If we buy Ever Banega for 30 mil, I might give up on Arsenal.


This was his problem at Roma. Great young players out of nowhere + overspending on veterans that flopped.


I'm certain that there are going to be 4 or 5 young players he bought that will be eventually be superstars and can be added to his list of amazing buys. Zaniolo, for example, is already looking like the steal of the year. Under and Kluivert are great talents. Karsdorp the RB will be very good . . There's good reports on the young Brazilian GK and he bought a lot of kids that are loaned out or on the Primavera squad now. . .


However, he made the overall team weaker in the short term in each consecutive season, mainly due to none of his veteran signings working out and Roma being forced to count on 19-20yo straight out of 2nd divisions.



18yo Zaniolo and 19yo Under that were huge Monchi successes but were also pressed to start right away because the veterans he bought to be starters (Pastore and Defrel as a winger) were huge mistakes.


Don't get me started on our desperately needed CB replacements being Hector Moreno and Ivan Marcano in consecutive summers or Robin Olsen to replace Alisson.





This post was edited on 3/8/19 at 1:39 pm
Posted by TFTC
Chicago, Il
Member since May 2010
23305 posts
Posted on 3/8/19 at 1:25 pm to
Is Emery the main tie to Arsenal? Or is it the ability to work/scout within a budget?

On Pastore.. I know the traditional #10 is a luxury player these days, but man I thought and hoped he was going to be a star... oh well..
Posted by wm72
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2010
9085 posts
Posted on 3/8/19 at 1:37 pm to
quote:

Is Emery the main tie to Arsenal? Or is it the ability to work/scout within a budget?


I assume it's mainly Emery and Monchi did have such a good rep before Roma for some great buys that no other top team was even considering.

quote:

On Pastore.. I know the traditional #10 is a luxury player these days, but man I thought and hoped he was going to be a star... oh well..


Pastore at Palermo was one of my favorite players to watch in recent memory.

He's been injured off and on for 80% of the season at Roma so far but had really already been beaten out by 19yo Zaniolo mainly due to making Ozil's defensive work rate look like Kante's.

Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 3/8/19 at 1:39 pm to


alright then
Posted by Dandy Lion
Member since Feb 2010
51400 posts
Posted on 3/8/19 at 1:42 pm to
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due to making Ozil's defensive work rate look like Kante's.
Posted by TFTC
Chicago, Il
Member since May 2010
23305 posts
Posted on 3/8/19 at 1:43 pm to
Yeah - that’s the Pastore I’m talking about... he was suppose to kick on with all that talent at PSG and never did.. injuries, too many managers/different tactics and being played out of position..
Posted by wm72
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2010
9085 posts
Posted on 3/8/19 at 1:46 pm to
I like Ranieri as a person but not sure what he'll be able to do with his defend and hope a forward makes counter attacking miracle style.

However, if he can shore up the undermanned defense a bit and keep us from giving up 3 goals in every single match, the CL spot is still wide open.


He's going to manage the rest of the season and then move to an upper management position.

This post was edited on 3/8/19 at 1:51 pm
Posted by wm72
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2010
9085 posts
Posted on 3/8/19 at 1:54 pm to
quote:

Yeah - that’s the Pastore I’m talking about... he was suppose to kick on with all that talent at PSG and never did.. injuries, too many managers/different tactics and being played out of position..


Yeah, Pastore is the type player that's pure joy to watch with the ball but kind of a relic in that he doesn't fit at all into any modern pressing style.


I was in Roma for the final pre-season warm up match. It was clear he wasn't going to work out when I saw he had developed a technique of straight up walking back on defense but moving his arms as if running like the fat kid in middle school gym class.

This post was edited on 3/8/19 at 1:57 pm
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39307 posts
Posted on 3/8/19 at 2:07 pm to
Arsenal have five or so players in the academy (Saku, Amaechi, Smith-Rowe, Nkeitah and Reiss Nelson) who have a real chance of becoming first-team contributors. We don't need Monchi for that. We should try to get rid of the excess wages and introduce those young players. That's a better long-term plan than buying old Sevilla retreads, in my view.
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