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Posted on 1/13/17 at 2:51 pm to
Posted by Mac5500
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 2:51 pm to
ATL takes Julian Gressel ?
Posted by WarSlamEagle
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 2:51 pm to
who dis
Posted by pvilleguru
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 2:52 pm to
Julian Gressel
Posted by WarSlamEagle
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 2:53 pm to
We got a German. Golden Boot in the last NCAA Tournament. Played fifth-tier German soccer before coming over.
Posted by Mac5500
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 2:54 pm to
They're saying he's really versatile, so that may be why we took him.
Posted by John Keating
College Green, Ireland
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 3:14 pm to
quote:

How often and early do these high draft guys usually make an impact?

Here are the top five draft picks from the last few years:

2016
1) Jack Harrison, NYC (big)
2) Joshua Yaro, PHI (big when played, oft injured)
3) Keegan Rosenberry, PHI (big)
4) Brandon Vincent, CHI (big)
5) Omar Holness, RSL (fair)

2015
1) Cyle Larin, ORL (big)
2) Khiry Shelton, NYC (big)
3) Romario Williams, MON (little)
4) Fatai Alashe, SJ (fair)
5) Nick Besler, POR (little)

Hidden Gems: Matt Polster (8, big), Tim Parker (13, fair), Axel Sjolberg (14, big), Christian Roldan (18, big), Connor Brandt (23, fair), Dominique Badji (67, fair)

2014
1) Andre Blake, PHI (big)
2) Steve Birnbaum, DC (big)
3) Christian Dean, VAN (fair)
4) Steve Neumann, NE (little)
5) Eric Miller, COL (fair)

Hidden Gems: Tesho Akindele (6, fair), Patrick Mullins (11, big), Marlon Hairston (12, big), Tommy McNamara (20, big), Chris Duvall (22, fair), Jared Watts (33, big)

2013
1) Andrew Farrell, NE (fair)
2) Carlos Alvarez, CUS (little)
3) Kyle Bekker, TOR (little)
4) Kekutah Manneh, VAN (big)
5) Erik Hurtado, VAN (fair)

Hidden Gems: Walker Zimmerman (7, big), Dillon Powers (11, big), Ryan Hollingshead (23, big)

2012
1) Andrew Wenger, MON (fair)
2) Darren Mattocks, VAN (little)
3) Kelyn Rowe, NE (big)
4) Luis Silva, TOR (fair)
5) Casey Townsend, CUS (little)

Hidden Gems: Nick Deleon (7, big), Ethan Finlay (10, big), Matt Hedges (11, big), Dom Dwyer (16, big), Ray Gaddis (35, fair)

2011
1) Omar Salgado, VAN (little)
2) Darlington Nagbe, POR (big)
3) Perry Kitchen, DC (big)
4) Zarek Valentin, CUS (little)
5) Zack MacMath, COL (fair)

Hidden Gems: CJ Sapong (10, fair), Will Bruin (11, big), Justin Meram (15, fair), Joao Plata (49, big)

The draft is a source for a few star players and some quality depth and role players.
Posted by oauron
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 3:29 pm to
Houston had an opportunity to take a pro-ready RB and went with an MF that'll take the international spot we traded for.

WHY

This organization is suffering.
This post was edited on 1/13/17 at 3:30 pm
Posted by John Keating
College Green, Ireland
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 3:33 pm to
Atlanta United guys, here is a quick overview of your newly drafted players from Matt Doyle:

Miles Robinson
quote:

Robinson makes a ton of sense for a team that's clearly going to be spending big importing talent its midfield and attack, which means they'll have to be a touch thrifty on the backline. And as it stands in MLS, there is nothing thriftier than a Generation adidas contract.
Robinson is big and athletic, and has drawn comparisons to both Walker Zimmerman and Steve Birnbaum (though he's not as dominant in the air as those guys). He's a regular in the US U-20s, competing with the likes of Justen Glad, Erik Palmer-Brown, Tommy Redding and Cameron Carter-Vickers for playing time.
Robinson was mistake-free in central defense at the Combine, and showed a bit of his athleticism in the air with a wonderful headed assist on Day 3. He may not be able to walk right into the starting lineup, but he's not all that far away from getting meaningful minutes.
For a team that's spend serious cash elsewhere, getting a GA defender who can do real work on the backline makes a lot of sense.


Julian Gressel
quote:

I think Gressel projects best as a central midfielder, but he's also excelled both on the wing and as a No. 9 -- the dude solves some problems.

Doyle seems to think that Robinson was right on the money while Gressel was a reach at #8.


Here is another opinion from Will Parchman:

Miles Robinson
quote:

Miles Robinson was, without much doubt, the best defender in college soccer in 2016. As a sophomore. He burst onto the national scene with a rousing performance in the 2015 College Cup as a freshman, and his follow-up season in 2016 was something to behold, like watching a young lion come into his claws. Robinson, like Van Damme, is a rangy, high risk-reward center back who likes to step into challenges and form the base of the spine during attacks. He’s probably the best possession center back to emerge in the draft since Matt Polster, who was so good on ball the Chicago Fire moved him into the midfield. Don’t expect the same for Robinson, who has the frame and technical ability to be a special center back for years. It’s no surprise he’s firmly on the US national team radar.

The more talent evaluators see of Miles Robinson, the more he tends to shoot up collective draft boards. Robinson’s been playing up in age for the majority of his career, which will no doubt help him cope as a precocious 19-year-old defender in a sea of veterans. The US have always struggled to produce pro-ready creative midfielders - especially wingers - but defenders are a different story. It’s the “easiest” transition from college to pro in the sense that outright skill is less important than IQ and athleticism.

Robinson, who still has an uphill battle for minutes, has both in ample supply. He has the frame and skill set to be ready in 2017. The question is whether an enterprising coach will give him a chance.


Julian Gressel
quote:

It isn’t so often that a midfielder cracks the top five nationally in goals, but then Julian Gressel isn’t your typical midfielder. As it happens, midfielders tend to march backward a step in the transition to the pro game: No. 10s fall back into box-to-box roles while those in-between midfielders (like Seattle’s Cristian Roldan in 2015, for instance) often become roving shields for the back line. So it is with Gressel, whose largesse in possession and technical ability will almost certainly make him more of a withdrawn No. 8 and ball-tracker in defensive space at the next level. Gressel scored 15 goals last year, so he knows how to finish, but it’s his unerring consistency in prodding possession and hard-headedness on ball that will likely woo an enterprising MLS front office into making him the connective tissue between defender and creator.

Parchman, like Doyle, has a high opinion of Robinson while holding Gressel in higher opinion than does Doyle.
This post was edited on 1/13/17 at 3:53 pm
Posted by EastNastySwag
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 3:34 pm to
Darren Mattocks is a bust. So much hype from Akron and just absolutely shat the bed at Vancouver.
Posted by John Keating
College Green, Ireland
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 3:35 pm to
We seem to have a few Houston Dynamo fans here so I will gather some info for you guys as well.
Posted by John Keating
College Green, Ireland
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 3:38 pm to
Vancouver has made some poor draft choices, aside from Kekutah Manneh of course. Contrast their draft execution with that of, say Colorado, who selected Badji, Hairston, Powers, Sjoberg, Watts, Miller, among others. All of those players were contributors to the excellent season that Colorado had this past year.

Dallas, Portland, DC, Philadelphia, and NYC have also drafted well.
This post was edited on 1/13/17 at 3:42 pm
Posted by oauron
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2011
14510 posts
Posted on 1/13/17 at 3:47 pm to
I'll throw my 2 cents on the player.

Joe Holland is attacking mid (which is an area of need), and has shown really well at the combine. On a production side, he's not had overwhelming numbers despite playing in college at 23 (and he'll turn 24 in a 3 months). So, I don't know if he's going to get much better.

I'm hoping for the best, but it looks like a pretty shortsighted pick for a player that won't make a big impact in the team. Prove me wrong Joe!
This post was edited on 1/13/17 at 4:01 pm
Posted by John Keating
College Green, Ireland
Member since Jan 2015
2593 posts
Posted on 1/13/17 at 3:57 pm to
Regarding Houston's draft pick of Joe Holland, from Matt Doyle:
quote:

Holland, an England-born midfielder who played collegiately at Hofstra, was a late invite to the Combine. If he has one more performance on Thursday like he did on Tuesday, he will be an early draft pick.

The 23-year-old -- he turns 24 in April, and so is a couple of years older than most of the other guys at the Combine -- was simply exquisite in running central midfield for team Tango. He's a very two-footed, classic English central midfielder in that he's neither a pure creator nor a pure No. 6, and he's able to help out on both sides of the ball. But what really impressed was his comfort receive possession under pressure and finding a way to turn out of traffic and put his wide midfielders into good positions without breaking stride.

Holland was under-the-radar good in the first game on Sunday. There was nothing under the radar about what he did on Tuesday, however.

He's an international, which will make it difficult for some teams to spend a pick on him. But for those with slots to burn, Holland's ready-made skillset and on-field maturity are worth the pick.

There really is not much out there on Joe Holland. Apparently he came into camp as a relatively unknown player and impressed in a couple of training sessions. He seems to be a high risk, high reward type.
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