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re: MLS Expansion Thread: Teams 25-28 Up for Grabs (12 applicants)
Posted on 2/1/17 at 7:20 am to Vicks Kennel Club
Posted on 2/1/17 at 7:20 am to Vicks Kennel Club
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I also want MLS capped at 24 teams.
28 is pushing it, esp with the lack of depth.
But this has been talked about plenty of times on here.
Posted on 2/1/17 at 8:06 am to Draconian Sanctions
Because this is a business not some public works act or late 1800s schoolyard game.
Posted on 2/1/17 at 8:19 am to Cocotheape
Also promotion and relegation is impossible to sell to a current MLS team and their fans. Why would you want to take that risk?
The system should only exist if it's ingrained in the culture. Soccer is far more local overseas.
The system should only exist if it's ingrained in the culture. Soccer is far more local overseas.
Posted on 2/1/17 at 8:35 am to 5thTiger
I want Nashville more than anything, but I don't think it's likely until maybe if the league expands to 30 teams. I'm not getting my hopes up. I've actually adopted OC until my dream can come true.
Indy - Seemed a bit late to the game, but also seems like an ideal city for MLS. Not this round, but I can definitely see them maybe in the next if the city is serious.
St Louis - Garber (and everyone else) wants MLS in St Louis. I don't think it will happen for 25-26, solely due to the politics involved for getting stadium funded. It's a problem. But it will happen eventually.
Nashville - We've got the cash, a committed owner, and a city that seems willing to play ball on a stadium. Mayor Megan Barry has asked for a stadium funding plan by June of this year. I can't see it happening for 25-26, and even 27-28 seems like a long shot to be honest. We already have the Preds, and Titans, which will probably scare off MLS.
Sacramento - I think they are in. They've done all the work needed, and can be ready to play as early as 2018. I think they are in for 25 or 26.
San Antonio - Another major market, but another crowded state. I don't know how to evaluate this one.
North Carolina - Could come down to a battle between Cincinnati, Nashville, and NC for 28. I can't see MLS going with all 3, and even 2 would be a stretch.
Cincinnati - How committed are the owners and the city to MLS? They could be a great fit given the incredible crowd support, but will they get the support from owners/city/state? And expect heavy resistance from Columbus as they don't want their market share to dwindle.
TB Rowdies - MLS wants them, and they want MLS. I think they and Sacramento are the likeliest for 25-26.
San Diego - Not this time, but probably 27-28. Too much potential, and Garber really really wants them.
Detroit - Another one that Garber really wants, and it seems they have the support. Wouldn't be surprised at all to see them get 27 or 28.
So for me the big question is if Beckham/Miami happens. I truly hope that it does not. MLS needs to learn from MLB and just look at the pathetic crowds for other Miami sports franchises. Besides there is just too much happening there. They need to abandon this, and open up the 24th slot to someone else.
Indy - Seemed a bit late to the game, but also seems like an ideal city for MLS. Not this round, but I can definitely see them maybe in the next if the city is serious.
St Louis - Garber (and everyone else) wants MLS in St Louis. I don't think it will happen for 25-26, solely due to the politics involved for getting stadium funded. It's a problem. But it will happen eventually.
Nashville - We've got the cash, a committed owner, and a city that seems willing to play ball on a stadium. Mayor Megan Barry has asked for a stadium funding plan by June of this year. I can't see it happening for 25-26, and even 27-28 seems like a long shot to be honest. We already have the Preds, and Titans, which will probably scare off MLS.
Sacramento - I think they are in. They've done all the work needed, and can be ready to play as early as 2018. I think they are in for 25 or 26.
San Antonio - Another major market, but another crowded state. I don't know how to evaluate this one.
North Carolina - Could come down to a battle between Cincinnati, Nashville, and NC for 28. I can't see MLS going with all 3, and even 2 would be a stretch.
Cincinnati - How committed are the owners and the city to MLS? They could be a great fit given the incredible crowd support, but will they get the support from owners/city/state? And expect heavy resistance from Columbus as they don't want their market share to dwindle.
TB Rowdies - MLS wants them, and they want MLS. I think they and Sacramento are the likeliest for 25-26.
San Diego - Not this time, but probably 27-28. Too much potential, and Garber really really wants them.
Detroit - Another one that Garber really wants, and it seems they have the support. Wouldn't be surprised at all to see them get 27 or 28.
So for me the big question is if Beckham/Miami happens. I truly hope that it does not. MLS needs to learn from MLB and just look at the pathetic crowds for other Miami sports franchises. Besides there is just too much happening there. They need to abandon this, and open up the 24th slot to someone else.
This post was edited on 2/1/17 at 8:47 am
Posted on 2/1/17 at 8:36 am to Vicks Kennel Club
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Also promotion and relegation is impossible to sell to a current MLS team and their fans.
No millionaire/billionaire owner is going to pay the MLS franchise fee only to play Divison 2 soccer. Not going to happen.
Posted on 2/1/17 at 8:41 am to Meursault
And imagine your local team losing The right to be on TV as they only have a deal with the MLS. that would blow.
people are putting the cart before the horse on this one
people are putting the cart before the horse on this one
Posted on 2/1/17 at 8:56 am to Vicks Kennel Club
The franchise model gets a lot more investment on the front end.
There are downsides of course, they collude (legally because of single entity) to keep wages down, being uncompetitive in the short term isn't punished, and so on. That being said, all these owners want to make money on this, and there's really only one reasonable way to get any kind of real return on their ($100m+) investment, and that involves the league growing in profile and competition level.
There are downsides of course, they collude (legally because of single entity) to keep wages down, being uncompetitive in the short term isn't punished, and so on. That being said, all these owners want to make money on this, and there's really only one reasonable way to get any kind of real return on their ($100m+) investment, and that involves the league growing in profile and competition level.
Posted on 2/1/17 at 9:19 am to mizslu314
Whoa, Sacramento omitted Sacramento Republic (USL) from their bid. Very crazy. I don't know what to think about that.
I think they are done now. I would like to revise my predictions:
I think Detroit and St Louis are now the most likely this round. Then TB if Beckham FC falls through. Then San Diego, and the last spot is a toss-up between Raleigh, Nashville, Phoenix, Cincinnati.
If Raiders to SD happens, I think they are out. If the climate controlled thing happens in Phoenix, they may be a lock.
I think they are done now. I would like to revise my predictions:
I think Detroit and St Louis are now the most likely this round. Then TB if Beckham FC falls through. Then San Diego, and the last spot is a toss-up between Raleigh, Nashville, Phoenix, Cincinnati.
If Raiders to SD happens, I think they are out. If the climate controlled thing happens in Phoenix, they may be a lock.
This post was edited on 2/1/17 at 9:24 am
Posted on 2/1/17 at 11:41 am to Meursault
I think the St.Louis fans are rabid soccer fans spiel is a little over done. It's on par with toasted ravs and Imo's being great pizza.
Unless they bring in a Bosnian/Mexican player, the team better win. NO BS about it, the team better win, or people will jump off the ship.
And you will have attendances of 12K(paid), and thousands dressed as seats. It will look like a Man City home game.
I know one thing, it gives a guy i went to HS with, and was buddies with, a gig on the Pro team. Since Gallagher is involved in the process, he will go from St.Louis FC GK Coach to St.Louis MLS GK coach.
I was all for the Football Stadium, because it was the only way that the Landing and North of there will ever be renovated, this i'm not optimistic about. We shall see
Unless they bring in a Bosnian/Mexican player, the team better win. NO BS about it, the team better win, or people will jump off the ship.
And you will have attendances of 12K(paid), and thousands dressed as seats. It will look like a Man City home game.
I know one thing, it gives a guy i went to HS with, and was buddies with, a gig on the Pro team. Since Gallagher is involved in the process, he will go from St.Louis FC GK Coach to St.Louis MLS GK coach.
I was all for the Football Stadium, because it was the only way that the Landing and North of there will ever be renovated, this i'm not optimistic about. We shall see
Posted on 2/1/17 at 12:08 pm to stlslick
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Imo's being great pizza
Imo's is bad. The times I've visited I really liked Fortel's, and Dewey's.
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attendances of 12K(paid)
Well, you avg'd 5k per game in 2016. That's not bad!!
Posted on 2/1/17 at 12:12 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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pure propaganda, it could easily happen now
In what world could Pro/Rel easily happen? Name me one GM of an MLS club that would vote in favor of that. Also, no owner wants to pony up 150 million dollars for an expansion fee if their team could immediately get relegated. Pro/Rel is a good goal to have for the future of the league, imo, but to say we could easily implement it now is incredibly naive and contrary to the current goals of MLS and its growth.
Posted on 2/1/17 at 12:36 pm to Meursault
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Detroit - Another one that Garber really wants, and it seems they have the support. Wouldn't be surprised at all to see them get 27 or 28.
They certainly have the ownership power with Dan Gilbert (owner of the Cavs) and Tom Gores (owner of the Pistons) teaming up.
There is just one major elephant in the room. Garber and the ownership group are only interested in one area of Detroit's downtown for the stadium to be built. In fact, it's the only area where the ownership group submitted their bid to be located at. The problem is the land is currently occupied by a half built prison they started building about 5 years ago and stopped 2-3 years ago when the county ran out of money on the project, locally known as the fail jail. The county is hell bent on finishing it and is not willing to part with the land. Rumors are Gilbert might offer $150 million to buy it but no one knows for sure if the county will accept. If they don't, I do not see Detroit getting a team.
Posted on 2/1/17 at 1:22 pm to Kenny Wu
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don't, I do not see Detroit getting a team.
I think Garber wants the Detroit owners more than anything. There have been additional sites discussed, but I'm pretty sure Gilbert & co. will be able to buy them out. Land in Detroit is super cheap these days, and Detroit owners are a couple of billionaires.
Posted on 2/1/17 at 1:54 pm to Meursault
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Sacramento’s bid for a Major League Soccer team was plunged into chaos Wednesday after representatives of Sacramento Republic FC charged that managing partner and lead investor Kevin Nagle formally submitted his bid without authorization of the minor league club. Nagle submitted the bid to MLS under the name of Sac Soccer & Entertainment Holdings, a corporation he controls, instead of Republic FC. In an interview late Tuesday, Nagle told The Sacramento Bee that Sac Soccer doesn’t control the rights to the Republic FC brand.
This cocksucker is attempting a coup and trying to screw the original founders.
The Tower Brigade supporters are a loud, fierce group and are pissed. I can't believe he tried this and I think he will realize that he can't just do whatever he wants. The soccer community in sacramento for sacramento republic is one of the best things going and he better listen.
Posted on 2/1/17 at 2:21 pm to Meursault
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Land in Detroit is super cheap these days, and Detroit owners are a couple of billionaires.
If you are looking at some old abandoned neighborhood then yes it's super cheap. However the downtown area where they want the stadium to be located has been under a revitalization the last few years and the land is not nearly as cheap, and its pretty much all occupied. Not to mention that Gilbert owns a casino not too far from the proposed stadium site (fail jail) so for his own personal interests, he wants it built there.
Posted on 2/1/17 at 2:40 pm to Kenny Wu
I know he does. And I think he'll get it. I think he's willing to pay the county wants. But I could be wrong. Hell, I hope I'm wrong!!! My dream scenario is:
Sacramento bid dies today
St Louis can't get stadium funding approved.
Raiders move to SD, putting a pause on their MLS bid.
Beckham FC falls through.
Detroit can't buy the land they need.
Phoenix can't get climate stadium funding approved.
Columbus Crew compels Ohio governor to file an injunction against Cincinnati FC, preventing them from joining MLS.
Nashville's owners throw a bunch of money at the stadium fund, it goes through, and Nashville joins MLS in 2020 as the 25th or 26th team.
Sacramento bid dies today
St Louis can't get stadium funding approved.
Raiders move to SD, putting a pause on their MLS bid.
Beckham FC falls through.
Detroit can't buy the land they need.
Phoenix can't get climate stadium funding approved.
Columbus Crew compels Ohio governor to file an injunction against Cincinnati FC, preventing them from joining MLS.
Nashville's owners throw a bunch of money at the stadium fund, it goes through, and Nashville joins MLS in 2020 as the 25th or 26th team.
Posted on 2/1/17 at 2:59 pm to Meursault
frick it give us a Bmore team in all that
Posted on 2/1/17 at 3:38 pm to StraightCashHomey21
I think Baltimore is getting the usl club Wilmington Hammerheads.
Moving there iirc.
Moving there iirc.
Posted on 2/1/17 at 4:14 pm to LuckyTiger
werd, give Richmond Kickers a nice new rival.
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