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re: Is the 2003 group the most talented class of American players ever?
Posted on 6/19/21 at 7:01 am to Broski
Posted on 6/19/21 at 7:01 am to Broski
quote:Wasn't Zardes already 22? The 2 strikers on the roster for that camp were Eddie Johnson and Wondo. Zardes only had 4G/4A in 2013, and only had 1G in 2014 prior to the WC. By 2014, Zardes had already spent 4 years in college and finished his rookie season in MLS.
Hell, some people on here were pissed that he didn't get a shot in the 2014 Camp Cupcake in hopes of maybe proving enough to get a late call to Brazil a la DeAndre Yedlin
The striker that a lot of people were upset about not making the WC roster was Boyd.
This post was edited on 6/19/21 at 7:52 am
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Posted on 6/19/21 at 7:39 am to Broski
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As much as I hate to admit it, you actually gave credence to another Randy shite attempt at trolling.
I don't think I did, considering Zardes is the best player in his class. He also was about to board a plane for Germany before LA realized that they could sign him as a homegrown.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 8:18 am to cwil177
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You have to be a real turd to not acknowledge that that’s already a higher bar than we’ve attained previously.
I'm just saying, given what we've heard for years and years and decades and decades about U.S. soccer forgive me for taking a wait and see attitude. All I know right now is we have Weston McKennie so we don't really need anyone else.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 8:24 am to RandySavage
Nah I get that. But it’s a promising trend going forward and I’m excited for that.
Truth
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All I know right now is we have Weston McKennie so we don't really need anyone else.
Truth
Posted on 6/19/21 at 10:10 am to pvilleguru
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I don't think I did, considering Zardes is the best player in his class. He also was about to board a plane for Germany before LA realized that they could sign him as a homegrown.
You're using the letdown that the Zardes generation became to argue that it's a dumb comparison, when for all we know, in five years we could be laughing at the idea that we thought Cade Cowell was going to be a potential world class striker while talking up a new batch of 18-19 year olds.
My point was we were excited for Zardes and others in that generation at the time, only for them not to pan out, just like we are excited for the 03'ers now.
And there probably is a better chance that they do pan out, but we just don't know.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 10:11 am to Broski
quote:Whoa. Hold up. Who's hyping him up to be a potential world class striker?
we thought Cade Cowell was going to be a potential world class striker
This post was edited on 6/19/21 at 10:12 am
Posted on 6/19/21 at 10:12 am to pvilleguru
winger, striker whatever. He's done both.
This post was edited on 6/19/21 at 10:14 am
Posted on 6/19/21 at 10:55 am to Broski
quote:I was focusing on the "potential world class" part.
winger, striker whatever. He's done both.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 12:15 pm to pvilleguru
And once again, you’re focusing on the wrong thing.
You do this a lot where you gone in on a word or phrase to avoid addressing the overall point. I think you do it on purpose too.
I was being hyperbolic, but yes, you better believe there are high hopes for Cowell.
You do this a lot where you gone in on a word or phrase to avoid addressing the overall point. I think you do it on purpose too.
I was being hyperbolic, but yes, you better believe there are high hopes for Cowell.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 1:02 pm to Broski
frick me for focusing on the phrase doing the heavy lifting.
The point is discussing whether or not the 2003 class could be the most talented class we've ever had. We've never had a world class striker, so the bar to be among our best of all time if fairly low. You basically just have to get on the level of McBride, Altidore, and Wynalda. And if you're looking at the entire class, then each individual can be looked at on a sliding scale. If a defender ends up being world class, then a striker (Cowell) can fall below the level of Altidore and still contribute to a higher average.
But to get back to your initial point, I don't remember anyone hyping up Zardes. He was always a case of having no depth and he was at least producing post-2014 WC. I still think you're confusing Zardes with Boyd (who is also a 1991) when talking about 2014. If you want to make a case about putting hope in a player, then Agudelo is a much better example. That's a guy who showed promise early on and never got any better.
Zardes wasn't called in until 2015, and I definitely remember a ton of people shitting on him from day 1.
The point is discussing whether or not the 2003 class could be the most talented class we've ever had. We've never had a world class striker, so the bar to be among our best of all time if fairly low. You basically just have to get on the level of McBride, Altidore, and Wynalda. And if you're looking at the entire class, then each individual can be looked at on a sliding scale. If a defender ends up being world class, then a striker (Cowell) can fall below the level of Altidore and still contribute to a higher average.
But to get back to your initial point, I don't remember anyone hyping up Zardes. He was always a case of having no depth and he was at least producing post-2014 WC. I still think you're confusing Zardes with Boyd (who is also a 1991) when talking about 2014. If you want to make a case about putting hope in a player, then Agudelo is a much better example. That's a guy who showed promise early on and never got any better.
Zardes wasn't called in until 2015, and I definitely remember a ton of people shitting on him from day 1.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 1:08 pm to RandySavage
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Fat boner those names mean as much as the ones in the OP until they actually do something. We've been hearing the same thing for years.
To be fair, this is true of every major country in the world. It's rare when a country like Germany in 2000 admits its next generation isn't good enough and tries to rebuild.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 2:36 pm to pvilleguru
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frick me for focusing on the phrase doing the heavy lifting.
Lol why?
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I don’t remember anyone hyping up Zardes
So because you don’t remember, the point is invalid in your eyes?
Can you be anymore myopic?
Posted on 6/19/21 at 2:44 pm to Broski
quote:Really trying to figure out if and why anyone was trying to hype up a guy that didn't play a professional season until he was 21 and didn't start to really do anything until he was almost 23. I don't think anyone really mentioned Zardes until after Boyd injured his knee in late 2014. I really don't see what Zardes has to do with the discussion outside of showing how bad we were at producing quality players in that timeframe.
So because you don’t remember, the point is invalid in your eyes?
Like I said, I think you have Zardes confused with Boyd, at least in relation to 2014.
This post was edited on 6/19/21 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 6/19/21 at 8:40 pm to pvilleguru
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Like I said, I think you have Zardes confused with Boyd, at least in relation to 2014.
Yep, it’s my error, because you can’t possibly be wrong.
Get the frick over yourself.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 1:49 am to Broski
Broski I think the Zardes comparison was a poor one because Clark and Cowell at 17 are doing what Gyasi did 6 years later. And despite what pville says I do remember Zardes being considered a pretty highly regarded prospect as a 19/20 year old.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 11:10 am to cwil177
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Broski I think the Zardes comparison was a poor one because Clark and Cowell at 17 are doing what Gyasi did 6 years later.
My comparison wasn't about them being like-for-like. My point was that we get excited about a lot of guys (and there's nothing wrong with that) only for them not to pan out.
But like I said, I think we're getting to a point where more guys will start fulfilling those expectations and not just be a flash in the pan for a season or two before disappearing.
Luis Gil, TYFYS
Posted on 6/20/21 at 11:45 am to Broski
That dude should have gone to Arsenal’s academy instead of signing for RSL.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 11:54 am to cwil177
Dude is plugging away in the Czech Republic third division right now.
Posted on 6/25/21 at 5:25 pm to Broski
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As people have been saying, the 2003s are good.
The 2003s are on track to play close to 12,000 minutes in MLS this season.
(numbers for the '02s and '03s are pro-rated to a 34 game schedule)
When the 1998s were this age (2016), they played literally zero minutes in MLS.
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