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If US Soccer wants better coaches at the grassroots level

Posted on 6/2/20 at 10:04 pm
Posted by hendersonshands
Univ. of Louisiana Ragin Cajuns
Member since Oct 2007
160104 posts
Posted on 6/2/20 at 10:04 pm
They need to make training more accessible.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125410 posts
Posted on 6/2/20 at 10:24 pm to
That means pay for play will get more expensive unfortunately
Posted by hendersonshands
Univ. of Louisiana Ragin Cajuns
Member since Oct 2007
160104 posts
Posted on 6/2/20 at 10:47 pm to
Not necessarily. More online trainings options. I've completed grassroots training online. If I want to get my D License, I'd need to go to 2 more grassroots in person courses.

D Licensing can be done near me but it's 3 days of training. I get it, I can make it work over the summer when hours are more flexible. Price is $400, I can probably get my team to pay that.

However, if I try to get a C License, I'd have to take 2 weeks of work off AND drop $1,700.


So if anybody has aspirations of expanding their coaching education, they need to have at least 2 weeks of vacation time through their employer and nearly $2,000 just to get to a C.
Posted by CootKilla
In a beer can/All dog's nightmares
Member since Jul 2007
5910 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 7:07 am to
quote:

I've completed grassroots training online. If I want to get my D License, I'd need to go to 2 more grassroots in person courses.

D Licensing can be done near me but it's 3 days of training.


I am in the same boat as you. I can't find any dates for in person courses.
Posted by Gaston
Dirty Coast
Member since Aug 2008
39000 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 8:35 am to
US Soccer just needs a better way to identify talent. The ODP model is super jacked up, and other routes even worse. My son’s teammate has offers from clubs in Denmark and Germany and he and my son have been to US tryouts together where they literally didn’t even get show what they could do. It’s political, the kids that get selected, in my experience, simply aren’t the best. Whatever though.

Vision of a club is more important than a coach or two. U9-U10 you are responsible for teaching these kids X, Y and Z. The kids selected for the U11 A team are done so 100% based on how well they implement X, Y, and Z. Not the tallest or fastest or the ones that kick the hardest. U11 you teach F, J, and K, B team kids still work on X, Y, and Z...you WILL learn it. If so you start making the A group larger. U12 something different, patterns of play. Coaches stay in their age group, kids move on.

This is 100% not how my son was taught. Best, fastest kids make the A team, let’s go win tournaments. By the time U13 came around the damn defenders still hadn’t learned how to pass out of the back...kick ball over the center and just fight for it.

Vision of the club, judge players and coaches on what they are supposed to be learning and teaching, build a bunch of fundamentally sound kids and THEN when you’re U13-14 you start picking positions and making a competitive team. You did everyone justice...a kid can grow late, but he’s fundamentally sound enough to make huge strides in high school.

ETA: But you’re right, there should be more access to coach training. Should have resources available to you to make training plans and evaluation tools. Kids are so different, pulling off quality training on a team level, 15 kids, has got to ge tough.
This post was edited on 6/3/20 at 2:11 pm
Posted by JDat
New Iberia, LA
Member since Nov 2011
306 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 3:11 pm to
I got my E license back before they came up with the grass roots course. It was a 3 day course. Not going to say I didn't learn anything, but I felt like it was a bit of a joke. Was def a participation license and everyone gets it just for showing up. I honestly learned more from youtube / internet. Although 10 years ago, there weren't nearly as many youtube videos. Trial and error with my players was another big thing.

I was never a player. Only got into it because my son started playing and they asked for coaching help. I joke all the time that my oldest son was my learning curve and my next son will get much better coaching. LOL. But it's true, you can't beat experience.

I think the entire "competitive" program struggles because of coaches / clubs that want to win NOW. I undertand U11 and U12 players may not come back if you're not successful, but I've seen coaches rely on 1 or 2 studs on the U12 field. Move to U13 on the big field and now it's a team sport. Problem is players haven't learned to play.... only support the wanna be Messi.
Posted by hendersonshands
Univ. of Louisiana Ragin Cajuns
Member since Oct 2007
160104 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 3:15 pm to
The grassroots course was a joke too. They purposely used videos of terrible players in their training sessions. A lot of one size fits all blanket statements for “how to play” and all that shite.
Posted by JDat
New Iberia, LA
Member since Nov 2011
306 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 3:45 pm to
I also think requiring these licenses deters people from wanting to coach. The class E was clearly a money grab. Lots of clubs will pay the fee for the coach, but who wants to sit through that. And regardless of the classroom setting, it doesn't mean they can teach you to coach. I've seen coaches who know the game inside and out, but can't handle people.

forgot to mention that the biggest learning tool was just learning from more experienced coaches. Time spend watching and following a good coach is 10 fold over a coarse.

Got to pay those fees though!!
Posted by TN Bhoy
San Antonio, TX
Member since Apr 2010
60589 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 5:50 pm to
That’s a FIFA thing, brah. These levels exist all over the world.
Posted by hendersonshands
Univ. of Louisiana Ragin Cajuns
Member since Oct 2007
160104 posts
Posted on 6/3/20 at 10:24 pm to
My preparation for coaching is the fact that I've been around the game since I was 3 years old. I know that I know how to coach, and the results prove it. I'll just have to make due as a low licensed coach though because the process isn't feasible for me.
Posted by CootKilla
In a beer can/All dog's nightmares
Member since Jul 2007
5910 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 2:44 pm to
I just saw that the D license course is a friday night 5-9, Sat. 9-5, and Sun. 9-5 for 2 separate weekends 6 weeks apart. That is ridiculous.
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