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Has Mexico underachieved more than any other country?
Posted on 8/13/12 at 12:17 am
Posted on 8/13/12 at 12:17 am
Looking at what Mexico has, is it safe to say they have underachieved more than all other countries?
-they have a historic national league that was unrivaled in north america until MLS's recent growth
-huge population of soccer crazed fans
-historic following for their national team
-hosted numerous world cups
And until their recent youth teams success, the only significant accomplishment is a confederations cup win in 1999, which was held in Mexico. The farthest they have reached in the world cup is the quartefinals, again only when the world cup was in Mexico.
I never got why Mexico hasn't been at least on Uruguay's level, possibly even Argentina's and Brazil's levels with such a huge population of soccer fans.
-they have a historic national league that was unrivaled in north america until MLS's recent growth
-huge population of soccer crazed fans
-historic following for their national team
-hosted numerous world cups
And until their recent youth teams success, the only significant accomplishment is a confederations cup win in 1999, which was held in Mexico. The farthest they have reached in the world cup is the quartefinals, again only when the world cup was in Mexico.
I never got why Mexico hasn't been at least on Uruguay's level, possibly even Argentina's and Brazil's levels with such a huge population of soccer fans.
Posted on 8/13/12 at 12:18 am to TheIrishFro
Netherlands. Three world cup finals losses.
Posted on 8/13/12 at 12:23 am to Atom-Z
I wouldnt say that's underachieving. That's just professional choking. Mexico hasn't even sniffed one semi-final appearance, let alone three world cup final appearances.
Posted on 8/13/12 at 12:24 am to Atom-Z
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Netherlands. Three world cup finals losses.
For a country of 16 million, they've overachieved significantly, in part because their tactics were revolutionary in the 70's. No country of that size is as competitive as they are. Hell, they are more competitive than countries twice and three times as big. In no way, according any objective metric, have they underachieved.
Posted on 8/13/12 at 12:24 am to TheIrishFro
its comparable imo they were so good in the 1970's with Cruyff he was a magician
I way be a little biased because I fricking love the dutch teams and wish they would do better.
I way be a little biased because I fricking love the dutch teams and wish they would do better.
This post was edited on 8/13/12 at 12:27 am
Posted on 8/13/12 at 12:30 am to crazy4lsu
I think Uruguay has overachieved the most. A population of around 3 million with a top 10 worldwide resume.
Posted on 8/13/12 at 12:39 am to TheIrishFro
I think Mexico has underachieved because most of the top Mexicans don't play in Europe. Playing in Western European leagues and playing well in them ensures that the top players, and thus the national team, is exposed to European style pressing as well as the lack of space afforded in the international game. Brazil has had to deal with this recently, but as few as 10 years ago Brazilian players were on another level athletically and technically. They've also had many more successful players in Europe (and the rest of the world for that matter). Argentina and Uruguay have always styled themselves as "European" so their tactics always reflected those sensibilities. Both countries have also consistently produced players who excel in Europe. Mexico won't be successful until they realize their players must leave the country in order to gain the necessary experience to play well internationally.
Posted on 8/13/12 at 12:45 am to Vicks Kennel Club
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I think Uruguay has overachieved the most. A population of around 3 million with a top 10 worldwide resume.
True, but the Dutch style has won out, influencing these Barca teams and the Spanish NT. Most of Uruguay's success was before the game became global, and outside of their recent form, they've been middling on the world stage. Still they have their history to hang their hat on, but what the Dutch do in Europe is more impressive.
Posted on 8/13/12 at 12:55 am to crazy4lsu
Mexico also has a very prestigious record youth tournaments. Unfortunately the players at these tournaments rarely make the leap to the national team as seasoned professionals. A major factor in this gap is in part caused by the fact that Mexicans are quite short in stature and not particularly quick (until recently). Nutritional and income disparity issues in Mexico also hamper a continued production of competitive athletic players.
At 15-19 Mexican kids are typically on the same athletic level as their international counterparts, but stop physically maturing at that age.
You may also notice, that very few of El Tri's player fit the skin color mold of what we as Americans consider "Mexican". Most of their players come from the "white" upper classes of Mexican society, rather than from the barrios. Carlos Salcido is one of the few dark-skinned Mexicans that I recall playing recently.
At 15-19 Mexican kids are typically on the same athletic level as their international counterparts, but stop physically maturing at that age.
You may also notice, that very few of El Tri's player fit the skin color mold of what we as Americans consider "Mexican". Most of their players come from the "white" upper classes of Mexican society, rather than from the barrios. Carlos Salcido is one of the few dark-skinned Mexicans that I recall playing recently.
Posted on 8/13/12 at 12:58 am to thenry712
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You may also notice, that very few of El Tri's player fit the skin color mold of what we as Americans consider "Mexican". Most of their players come from the "white" upper classes of Mexican society, rather than from the barrios. Carlos Salcido is one of the few dark-skinned Mexicans that I recall playing recently
Solid point. Mexico has become an economic power rather recently, and still has wide income disparity. The absence of a large middle class means that they don't have access to a majority of their player pool, who simply won't be afforded the time or the proper nutrition and medicine to become elite athletes.
This post was edited on 8/13/12 at 12:59 am
Posted on 8/13/12 at 1:01 am to crazy4lsu
which makes me wonder how Brazil does so much better at finding these poor kids and turning them into superstars. Lots of their stars have come from poor sections of Brazilian cities haven't they?
Posted on 8/13/12 at 1:15 am to crazy4lsu
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I think Mexico has underachieved because most of the top Mexicans don't play in Europe. Playing in Western European leagues and playing well in them ensures that the top players, and thus the national team, is exposed to European style pressing as well as the lack of space afforded in the international game
this issue with that is the mexican league pays so well, these guys don't see the need to go over to europe
Posted on 8/13/12 at 1:31 am to TheIrishFro
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which makes me wonder how Brazil does so much better at finding these poor kids and turning them into superstars. Lots of their stars have come from poor sections of Brazilian cities haven't they?
In that case it appears to be a numbers game. There are something like 10,000 Brazilians playing professional soccer somewhere in the world. You only need to find around 50 or so elite players for international soccer. Thus the numbers appear to work in their favor.
Posted on 8/13/12 at 10:56 am to TheIrishFro
Also, let's not forget that the FMF is corrupt as shite. That can't be helping.
Simply put, soccer is an escape from poverty for these kids. Sometimes it's extreme poverty, ie their parents aren't sure they will be able to feed them from day to day. If a Brazilian kid shows he is talented enough to secure a spot at an academy, then he knows he has food, shelter, etc for as long as he can stay there. Sad, but true, and it probably helps the Brazilian NT in a way.
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which makes me wonder how Brazil does so much better at finding these poor kids and turning them into superstars. Lots of their stars have come from poor sections of Brazilian cities haven't they?
Simply put, soccer is an escape from poverty for these kids. Sometimes it's extreme poverty, ie their parents aren't sure they will be able to feed them from day to day. If a Brazilian kid shows he is talented enough to secure a spot at an academy, then he knows he has food, shelter, etc for as long as he can stay there. Sad, but true, and it probably helps the Brazilian NT in a way.
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