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re: Gold Cup Final: United States of America vs. Mexico, 7:30 FSC, Univision
Posted on 6/25/11 at 10:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 6/25/11 at 10:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
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there is no way we don't have as many kids playing soccer seriously at ages 8-10 as the country of holland
The problem is that we don't have the elite coaches the Dutch have. Their coaching program is one of the best in Europe.
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Posted on 6/25/11 at 10:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
The lack of street soccer probably helps nothing either
Posted on 6/25/11 at 10:28 pm to LfcSU3520
He's a huge douche. Insufferable prick. Never wanted to play for us
Posted on 6/25/11 at 10:28 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
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It's the responsibility of US Soccer to identify and develop those kids. We have not done a great job of doing that.
well soccer is like baseball
it has no appeal to ghetto black kids. that's the first step
and the easiest solution is to pay kids real money at early ages to influence their decisions to try it out
Posted on 6/25/11 at 10:29 pm to crazy4lsu
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The problem is that we don't have the elite coaches the Dutch have. Their coaching program is one of the best in Europe.
it can't be that hard to hire some of them to work their system, at least on a smaller level at first
Posted on 6/25/11 at 10:31 pm to hendersonshands
I get that, but he is an interesting case
He's born in the US, but leaves to go to Italy in his developmental years and becomes one of the best
our kids stay here and leave ages 18-20+ and don't do a whole lot internationally (some success granted, but nothing earth shattering)
it seems very strange that the best 'american' player, is the one who left us so early.
He's born in the US, but leaves to go to Italy in his developmental years and becomes one of the best
our kids stay here and leave ages 18-20+ and don't do a whole lot internationally (some success granted, but nothing earth shattering)
it seems very strange that the best 'american' player, is the one who left us so early.
Posted on 6/25/11 at 10:31 pm to LfcSU3520
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I just keep coming back to Rossi. He left and now he's one of the world's best. What happened there?
He went to one of the best youth programs in Italy. He had enough skill about him at 13 (the age at which most all technique develops) that he was able to be courted by Parma. He just genuinely might be an outlier, or our youth program isn't that far off. All it might require is some elite finishing schools akin to Clairefontaine.
Posted on 6/25/11 at 10:32 pm to LfcSU3520
He left to go to Spain.
Posted on 6/25/11 at 10:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
kids go to certain colleges cause someone slips them a few grand every once in awhile.
If you start telling families with 13 yr olds that they can start getting paid at an academy- that's gonna get some interest. A ton of problems sure, but whatever
If you start telling families with 13 yr olds that they can start getting paid at an academy- that's gonna get some interest. A ton of problems sure, but whatever
Posted on 6/25/11 at 10:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
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it has no appeal to ghetto black kids. that's the first step
Given the rampant budget cuts in high school and lower athletics there are many schools that are abandoning football and basketball because they can't afford it. They need to be introduced to the world's cheapest game. You need a field and a ball. GO!
Posted on 6/25/11 at 10:33 pm to crazy4lsu
Or the key developmental years are those young teen years...
Posted on 6/25/11 at 10:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
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it can't be that hard to hire some of them to work their system, at least on a smaller level at first
The Dutch FA does it the right way. They recruit former national team players into the youth coaching program, and then has them take over U-13 programs throughout the country. Right now players like Frank de Boer, Phillip Cocu and Dennis Bergkamp are teaching teenagers all they know.
I'd imagine it'd be incredibly hard to get one of their players to set it up, unless we went for someone like Hiddink to set up a similar system for us.
Posted on 6/25/11 at 10:34 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
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Given the rampant budget cuts in high school and lower athletics there are many schools that are abandoning football and basketball because they can't afford it. They need to be introduced to the world's cheapest game. You need a field and a ball. GO!
it will just take some money/investment to get it flowing
along with ditching our association of college sports as the goal
Posted on 6/25/11 at 10:35 pm to crazy4lsu
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I'd imagine it'd be incredibly hard to get one of their players to set it up, unless we went for someone like Hiddink to set up a similar system for us.
i think that in the end, it's about coaching. we can develop a similar system. we don't have to have their players
in the 70s, the dutch started the system and got pretty quick results. it's possible to start from scratch...they've done it before
i compare it to college football coaches who visit other schools to pick up certain schemes, and then in a year have those schemes mastered
Posted on 6/25/11 at 10:35 pm to hendersonshands
no he didn't, he went to Parma
Posted on 6/25/11 at 10:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
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in the 70s, the dutch started the system and got pretty quick results. it's possible to start from scratch...they've done it before
i compare it to college football coaches who visit other schools to pick up certain schemes, and then in a year have those schemes mastered
fricking this
Posted on 6/25/11 at 10:37 pm to Friend of OBUDan
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Or the key developmental years are those young teen years...
In general, all the technique you'll ever have is developed by the time you're a teenager. Rossi had enough of that to be desired by European clubs. It's absolutely true that we lack the elite finishing academies of European teams. Hopefully the MLS develops some.
Posted on 6/25/11 at 10:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
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in the 70s, the dutch started the system and got pretty quick results. it's possible to start from scratch...they've done it before
i compare it to college football coaches who visit other schools to pick up certain schemes, and then in a year have those schemes mastered
frick, the French built 12 amazing academies in the late 80's, and their first class basically won the WC. We can do it. I'm not saying it's impossible. But we need a visionary which may be asking far too much of us right now.
Posted on 6/25/11 at 10:40 pm to crazy4lsu
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But we need a visionary which may be asking far too much of us right now.
we just need money and a person who honestly believes we can become world class
gulati and bradley don't believe this. i'm convinced of that fact
Posted on 6/25/11 at 10:43 pm to crazy4lsu
I've thrown this idea around recently, but I really think the US needs to have more than one national academy. I'd like to assign regional stadiums that have national academies associated with them, in that way allowing more players to get elite level teaching. The French and Dutch have systems we should copy. If we teach our players technique, we can develop an American style, which will be very important if we want to really compete at the international level.
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