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re: Chelsea 2012/2013 Season Long Thread

Posted on 8/6/12 at 3:07 pm to
Posted by LSUSOBEAST1
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Posted on 8/6/12 at 3:07 pm to
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I can't figure out why more clubs aren't interested in Victor. Kid's a baller and we're going to steal him for 8mil.



Meh. He has decent skill but he surely isn't top 4 quality. He will never be first team material at Chelsea unless there is a mass exodus of talent.

He really isn't a good chance creator, isn't a good finisher, doesn't have abundant pace and isn't a great passer. He is one of the better dribblers in the league but nothing more.

Where do you expect him to play? Winger? Supporting striker? Attacking mid? He will be 4th on the depth chart no matter where he plays.

He has talent, with a potentially bright future, but going to Chelsea would only stunt his development at this point.

Not to mention he is in the last year of his contract. The move really doesn't make sense.
This post was edited on 8/6/12 at 3:35 pm
Posted by LSU Red24
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 8/6/12 at 7:02 pm to
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He will be 4th on the depth chart no matter where he plays.


Not saying the move makes perfect sense, because i don't think it does, but unless you're putting him behind Lukaku as well, he's at the very worst No. 3 as a striker. Not trying to straw man your argument, but being a "No. 3" striker with Torres and Sturridge being the guys ahead of you leaves a lot of room to possibly move up. Plus, 8 mil for a "potential" star isn't too bad. The kid is 21
Posted by LSUSOBEAST1
Member since Aug 2008
28621 posts
Posted on 8/7/12 at 10:21 am to
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he's at the very worst No. 3 as a striker


...except he isn't a striker. Centre forward is not his natural position. And if he is played there, it would be an emergency situation. He's an AM or winger.
This post was edited on 8/7/12 at 10:23 am
Posted by Bho
Lexington
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 8/7/12 at 10:25 am to
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except he isn't a striker


Better than Lukaku IMO.
Posted by DB10_AFC
South Louisiana
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 8/7/12 at 10:26 am to
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Better than Lukaku


That could be said about many people.
Posted by Bho
Lexington
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Posted on 8/7/12 at 10:27 am to
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That could be said about many people.



No shite.
Posted by DB10_AFC
South Louisiana
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7080 posts
Posted on 8/7/12 at 10:32 am to
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No shite.

Posted by LSUSOBEAST1
Member since Aug 2008
28621 posts
Posted on 8/7/12 at 10:40 am to
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Better than Lukaku IMO.



I would take Lukaku over Moses easy. A true centre forward is simply priceless in the English game.
Posted by Bho
Lexington
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Posted on 8/7/12 at 10:43 am to
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I would take Lukaku over Moses easy


Randy? Lion? Lukaku isn't ready and it's obvious.
Posted by LSUSOBEAST1
Member since Aug 2008
28621 posts
Posted on 8/7/12 at 10:45 am to
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Randy? Lion? Lukaku isn't ready and it's obvious.



Obviously I'm not talking about this season. Lukaku's potential > Moses by a long shot IMO. Moses is a winger/second striker. Lukaku will always be a bigger asset because of where he plays. Finding centre forwards with his physical abilities isn't easy. He needs a few years to read the game and he should be a quality player.
Posted by Bho
Lexington
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Posted on 8/7/12 at 10:46 am to
I hear you, but I'm worried about this year. Moses as 3rd CF, allows Lukaku to go on loan.
Posted by DB10_AFC
South Louisiana
Member since Jun 2012
7080 posts
Posted on 8/7/12 at 10:49 am to
I dunno. Its hard to say because he looks so raw right now but he is still quite young. Drogba was a late developer and so is Giroud. Maybe it takes bigger strikers a bit longer to develop. He could come good.
Posted by LSUSOBEAST1
Member since Aug 2008
28621 posts
Posted on 8/7/12 at 10:51 am to
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Moses as 3rd CF, allows Lukaku to go on loan.


And I'm telling you that I would rather Lukaku ahead of Moses at CF. That isn't where Moses plays. He will get eaten alive. He is small and his strengths are getting the ball on the wing, beating defenders to the byline or cutting inside.
Posted by Bho
Lexington
Member since Dec 2007
24814 posts
Posted on 8/7/12 at 10:52 am to
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That isn't where Moses plays. He will get eaten alive


Yeah, well Lukaku can't dribble past MLS defenders at this time. He's proved that.
Posted by LSUSOBEAST1
Member since Aug 2008
28621 posts
Posted on 8/7/12 at 10:54 am to
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Yeah, well Lukaku can't dribble past MLS defenders at this time. He's proved that.



Yes but he is a physical presence in the box and at least gives Chelsea a target man. You know how much I've been talking about Lukaku going on loan. But if Moses is brought in to put Lukaku on loan, I would be worried as a Chelsea fan. Moses is not a good finisher and his best strength is dribbling in space.

He needs first team minutes as bad as Lukaku does.
This post was edited on 8/7/12 at 10:56 am
Posted by DB10_AFC
South Louisiana
Member since Jun 2012
7080 posts
Posted on 8/7/12 at 10:55 am to
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That isn't where Moses plays.


Agreed. He is a winger. Thats what he played at Wigan.
Posted by LSUSOBEAST1
Member since Aug 2008
28621 posts
Posted on 8/7/12 at 10:57 am to
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Agreed. He is a winger. Thats what he played at Wigan.



LINK

Here is a link of exactly where he played for Wigan last season and how many appearances he made at each spot.
Posted by Bho
Lexington
Member since Dec 2007
24814 posts
Posted on 8/7/12 at 10:59 am to
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I would be worried as a Chelsea fan


I'm worried because we have ZERO STRIKERS that I trust right now.
Posted by DB10_AFC
South Louisiana
Member since Jun 2012
7080 posts
Posted on 8/7/12 at 11:00 am to
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I'm worried because we have ZERO STRIKERS that I trust right now

Posted by LSU Red24
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2007
4769 posts
Posted on 8/7/12 at 11:01 am to
I guess it depends on what Chelsea is running.

If Chelsea go back to the 4-3-3 (not saying they will, but it's what they ran a lot of last year) Moses could easily fit in as one of the outside wingers where we saw Sturridge and Mata play.

If they're in a 4-2-3-1 like RDM did at the end of last season, I think you're right that Lukaku would be better up top.
This post was edited on 8/7/12 at 11:04 am
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