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Awarding a Penalty Kick
Posted on 4/3/12 at 3:02 pm
Posted on 4/3/12 at 3:02 pm
From the Laws of the Game 2012
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Here are the actions for which a free kick can be awarded.
This isn't the constitution, there's little interpretation allowed.
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quote:
A penalty kick is awarded against a team that commits one of the ten offences for which a direct free kick is awarded, inside its own penalty area and while the ball is in play.
Here are the actions for which a free kick can be awarded.
quote:
A direct free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any
of the following seven offences in a manner considered by the referee to be
careless, reckless or using excessive force:
• kicks or attempts to kick an opponent
• trips or attempts to trip an opponent
• jumps at an opponent
• charges an opponent
• strikes or attempts to strike an opponent
• pushes an opponent
• tackles an opponent
A direct free kick is also awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any
of the following three offences:
• holds an opponent
• spits at an opponent
• handles the ball deliberately (except for the goalkeeper within his own
penalty area)
A direct free kick is taken from the place where the offence occurred
(see Law 13 – Position of free kick)
This isn't the constitution, there's little interpretation allowed.
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Posted on 4/3/12 at 3:08 pm to thenry712
What do you call if a offensive player tackles/picks an offensive player to the ground?
Posted on 4/3/12 at 3:12 pm to thenry712
quote:
• pushes an opponent
That occurred before SB fell down.
Should've been a foul on puyol first
Posted on 4/3/12 at 3:13 pm to TigerTalker142
The team that's defending gets a free kick from inside its own box (usually kicked by the goalie), I would assume.
Posted on 4/3/12 at 3:13 pm to TigerTalker142
Nesta grabbed Busquets jersey first. Nesta committed the initial foul. The Puyol pick means nothing within the laws of the game, even if nobody falls because of that collision.
It's not a double-negative situation, where both fouls cancel each other out. A ref calls the first foul that's committed (e.g. Nesta's shirt pull).
It's not a double-negative situation, where both fouls cancel each other out. A ref calls the first foul that's committed (e.g. Nesta's shirt pull).
Posted on 4/3/12 at 3:17 pm to thenry712
Give me a break. Holding happens everywhere on the field. Calling it for every transgression would stall the game. Just like American football and speeding while driving. It isn't feasible to call them all.
UEFA wants an El Classico final. It's very evident.
UEFA wants an El Classico final. It's very evident.
Posted on 4/3/12 at 3:17 pm to thenry712
Ok so any time a jersey is pulled inside the box the refs call a pk?
Ill keep that in mind, AC Milan might actually have a chance with those rules
since someone does it on every free kick and corner kick.
Ill keep that in mind, AC Milan might actually have a chance with those rules
since someone does it on every free kick and corner kick. Posted on 4/3/12 at 3:24 pm to sgallo3
I'm not even saying that it is called every time. I'm arguing that within the laws of the game, it was the correct call. If Puyol did indeed infringe upon Nesta, causing him to grab Busquets, a FK should have been awarded to Milan.
It's not a bullshite call, if it's the right call.
If you're given a ticket for going 72 MPH in a 70 MPH zone, it's technically a fair punishment. I'd hate for that to happen to me, but I wouldn't fight it, because I digressed from the law.
It's simple logic.
It's not a bullshite call, if it's the right call.
If you're given a ticket for going 72 MPH in a 70 MPH zone, it's technically a fair punishment. I'd hate for that to happen to me, but I wouldn't fight it, because I digressed from the law.
It's simple logic.
Posted on 4/3/12 at 3:26 pm to thenry712
i've seen barcelona players grab jerseys in this game already and it hasn't been called yet. why the disparity?
Posted on 4/3/12 at 3:27 pm to thenry712
"IN A MANNER CONSIDERED BY THE REFEREE TO BE CARELESS, RECKLESS, OR USING EXCESSIVE FORCE"
that's a whole lot of room for interpretation for the first seven offenses. Now i'll grant that holding doesn't fall under that category. And without getting into the fact that it happens on literally every fk or corner kick and isn't called, was the ball in play when the ref blew his whistle?
that's a whole lot of room for interpretation for the first seven offenses. Now i'll grant that holding doesn't fall under that category. And without getting into the fact that it happens on literally every fk or corner kick and isn't called, was the ball in play when the ref blew his whistle?
Posted on 4/3/12 at 3:30 pm to sgallo3
The ref didn't see them?
He obviously saw the shirt grab, and he called it.
Claiming it's all a big fix to help Barça, is naive and ignorant.
Wouldn't it be in UEFA's best interest to promote parity and help a new team win the Champion's League to prevent fans from getting sick of Barcelona? It's also a slightly baseless argument that could be made.
He obviously saw the shirt grab, and he called it.
Claiming it's all a big fix to help Barça, is naive and ignorant.
Wouldn't it be in UEFA's best interest to promote parity and help a new team win the Champion's League to prevent fans from getting sick of Barcelona? It's also a slightly baseless argument that could be made.
Posted on 4/3/12 at 3:31 pm to tigerfan88
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And without getting into the fact that it happens on literally every fk or corner kick and isn't called, was the ball in play when the ref blew his whistle?
Xavi had put the ball into to play, therefore yes it was. There goes that argument.
Posted on 4/3/12 at 3:32 pm to thenry712
Honest question to anyone with dvr, was the ball in play when the ref blew his whistle? Bc according to the laws of the game it shouldn't have been a penalty?
ETA: i'll take your word for it i couldn't remember. Although will say as a fellow Arsenal fan im disappointed you would take this point of view considering what happened to Van Persie last year
ETA: i'll take your word for it i couldn't remember. Although will say as a fellow Arsenal fan im disappointed you would take this point of view considering what happened to Van Persie last year
This post was edited on 4/3/12 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 4/3/12 at 3:34 pm to thenry712
Haven't seen the PKs, but the PK rules are definitely up for interpretation by each ref. Some refs are sticklers for the rules as written and some just aren't.
Posted on 4/3/12 at 3:35 pm to thenry712
My stance is that there was a foul committed, by Puyol, before the Nesta foul was called. Yes, Nesta was touching Pique on the shoulder before the pick, but it was nowhere near physical. It was initially a touch to help him mark him without having to keep his eyes on Pique. The touch by Nesta on Pique, before the pick and then the pull, was not a foul, no matter where they were on the field. The pick play was obviously designed, and the intended pick by Puyol on Nesta was a foul. This foul by Puyol should have been called. It wasn't, and as a result, Nesta was forced to pull Pique's shirt. Because the foul by Puyol was allowed, the foul by Nesta should've been allowed also.
Posted on 4/3/12 at 3:36 pm to tigerfan88
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Although will say as a fellow Arsenal fan im disappointed you would take this point of view considering what happened to Van Persie last year
How are the two situations related? In that you think the fix is in for Barca in both instances?
Posted on 4/3/12 at 3:37 pm to LSUtiger17
quote:
Yes, Nesta was touching Pique on the shoulder before the pick,
No, he had a handful of Busquets jersey. It wasn't simply touching.
Posted on 4/3/12 at 3:39 pm to crazy4lsu
In that according to a strict interpretation of the law Van Persie's sending off was valid. To anyone with common sense, it was nothing short of a travesty. This pk wasn't as bad but to me it's the same concept. By the strictest interpretation, or the doing 72 mph in a 70 speed zone line of thought, this was a penalty. Common sense says it should not have been given
Posted on 4/3/12 at 3:40 pm to tigerfan88
Meh even Van Persie's yellow could be interpreted as fair within the rules...sadly.
It was a bit ridiculous considering the duration between the whistle being blown and Van Persie kicking the ball.
The ref should have also sent off Abidal for choking Nasri, but that's neither here nor there.
Barcelona do admonish fouls more than most teams, but they often get unfairly criticized for many baseless reasons. Big clubs Man United, Chelsea and even at times Arsenal get calls that West Brom, Norwich and Swansea probably wouldn't benefit from the same treatment.
It happens in every sport.
It was a bit ridiculous considering the duration between the whistle being blown and Van Persie kicking the ball.
The ref should have also sent off Abidal for choking Nasri, but that's neither here nor there.
Barcelona do admonish fouls more than most teams, but they often get unfairly criticized for many baseless reasons. Big clubs Man United, Chelsea and even at times Arsenal get calls that West Brom, Norwich and Swansea probably wouldn't benefit from the same treatment.
It happens in every sport.
Posted on 4/3/12 at 3:42 pm to thenry712
that's exactly my point. I don't think anyone's saying an argument can't be made for calling the pk. What me and my fellow anti-pk'ers are saying is that there is room for interpretation and refs can and often do interpret the rules as they see fit. And that in this case he shouldn't have awarded a pk
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