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A look back at the first qualifier in the last two WC cycles...
Posted on 6/4/12 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 6/4/12 at 2:05 pm
Just something to keep in mind regarding the players that put the jersey on this weekend:
First qualifier for WC 2010
USA 8 - Barbados 0
1 - Matt Reis
2 - Frankie Hejduk
3 - Carlos Bocanegra
4 - Pablo Mastroeni
5 - Oguchi Onyewu
6 - Steve Cherundolo
7 - Eddie Lewis
8 - Clint Dempsey
9 - Eddie Johnson
10 - Landon Donovan
11 - Brian Ching
12 - Michael Bradley
13 - Maurice Edu
14 - Danny Califf
15 - Heath Pearce
16 - Freddy Adu
17 - DaMarcus Beasley
18 - Brad Guzan
Only 9 of this 18 made the 23 man roster in 2010.
First qualifier for WC 2006
USA 3 - Grenada 0
2 - Frankie Hejduk
3 - Greg Vanney
4 - Carlos Bocanegra
6 - Steve Cherundolo
7 - Eddie Lewis
8 - Earnie Stewart
9 - Conor Casey
10 - Claudio Reyna
11 - Jovan Kirovski
12 - Cory Gibbs
14 - Chris Armas
15 - Bobby Convey
17 - DaMarcus Beasley
18 - Kasey Keller
20 - Brian McBride
21 - Landon Donovan
23 - Eddie Pope
24 - Jonny Walker
Only 10 of this 18 made the 23 man roster for Germany 2006 (though both Hejduk and Gibbs would have made the roster if they had been healthy...)
Moral of the story?
The team you see on Friday and Tuesday is less than half (most likely) of the 23 that will (damn well better) be in Brasil in 2014. Take the results, player performances, etc. with a BIG grain of salt.
There's a long road ahead.
First qualifier for WC 2010
USA 8 - Barbados 0
1 - Matt Reis
2 - Frankie Hejduk
3 - Carlos Bocanegra
4 - Pablo Mastroeni
5 - Oguchi Onyewu
6 - Steve Cherundolo
7 - Eddie Lewis
8 - Clint Dempsey
9 - Eddie Johnson
10 - Landon Donovan
11 - Brian Ching
12 - Michael Bradley
13 - Maurice Edu
14 - Danny Califf
15 - Heath Pearce
16 - Freddy Adu
17 - DaMarcus Beasley
18 - Brad Guzan
Only 9 of this 18 made the 23 man roster in 2010.
First qualifier for WC 2006
USA 3 - Grenada 0
2 - Frankie Hejduk
3 - Greg Vanney
4 - Carlos Bocanegra
6 - Steve Cherundolo
7 - Eddie Lewis
8 - Earnie Stewart
9 - Conor Casey
10 - Claudio Reyna
11 - Jovan Kirovski
12 - Cory Gibbs
14 - Chris Armas
15 - Bobby Convey
17 - DaMarcus Beasley
18 - Kasey Keller
20 - Brian McBride
21 - Landon Donovan
23 - Eddie Pope
24 - Jonny Walker
Only 10 of this 18 made the 23 man roster for Germany 2006 (though both Hejduk and Gibbs would have made the roster if they had been healthy...)
Moral of the story?
The team you see on Friday and Tuesday is less than half (most likely) of the 23 that will (damn well better) be in Brasil in 2014. Take the results, player performances, etc. with a BIG grain of salt.
There's a long road ahead.
This post was edited on 6/4/12 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 6/4/12 at 2:16 pm to Sheep
All I gotta say is that if the players are young, they can go frick themselves.
Posted on 6/4/12 at 2:49 pm to Sheep
quote:
The team you see on Friday and Tuesday
FIFY
and good analysis
Posted on 6/4/12 at 2:52 pm to Sheep
Howard
Donovan
Dempsey
Bradley
Johnson
Altidore
That's only six I would say for sure will be at the WC (if we qualify) assuming no injuries or retirements.
Donovan
Dempsey
Bradley
Johnson
Altidore
That's only six I would say for sure will be at the WC (if we qualify) assuming no injuries or retirements.
Posted on 6/4/12 at 2:57 pm to Jumbeauxlaya
quote:
Message Posted by Jumbeauxlaya Captain America?
Complete stud, but I don't know that he'll be there in 2014. We'll probably need him though.
Posted on 6/4/12 at 2:57 pm to uway
I agree with this list
My wishlist assuming these players develop into WC caliber:
Ream
Cameron
Shea
Boyd
Gyau
Lichaj (should be on the roster now)
My wishlist assuming these players develop into WC caliber:
Ream
Cameron
Shea
Boyd
Gyau
Lichaj (should be on the roster now)
Posted on 6/4/12 at 3:02 pm to Harry Pitts
quote:
My wishlist assuming these players develop into WC caliber:
Adu's on mine. He's kind of like Torres except he actually creates chances.
Posted on 6/4/12 at 3:26 pm to uway
I would add Adu and Gatt as well.
frick it, I'll add Chandler too. If we put him at LB it frees Johnson to play on the wing, and I still like his play there.
frick it, I'll add Chandler too. If we put him at LB it frees Johnson to play on the wing, and I still like his play there.
Posted on 6/4/12 at 3:28 pm to cwil177
I'm not worried until the next round of qualifiers. We will get through the first stage.
Posted on 6/4/12 at 3:31 pm to Shane4689
quote:
Message Posted by Shane4689 I'm not worried until the next round of qualifiers. We will get through the first stage.
I agree. I'm glad Sheep made this thread, though. Seems like the WC isn't far enough away for us to bring a bunch of new guys into the squad, but I guess that's not the case.
Posted on 6/4/12 at 3:36 pm to uway
quote:
Seems like the WC isn't far enough away for us to bring a bunch of new guys into the squad, but I guess that's not the case.
I just saw everyone melting down over Castillo and Onyewu (and Edu's) play over the past week.
It's just a reminder that it's a process.
Danny Szetela and John Thorrington played in the return leg against Barbados, BTW.
Everybody keep your skirts on.
Posted on 6/4/12 at 3:42 pm to Sheep
quote:
I just saw everyone melting down over Castillo and Onyewu (and Edu's) play over the past week.
I just want those guys to be better than they are so that we're not overly reliant on inexperienced players. That's not too much to ask, right?
Tbh, I'm not even sure Landon and Dempsey will be in form by then. Let's just make the U23 squad go and use it as an experience builder. Joe Corona FTW
Posted on 6/4/12 at 4:14 pm to Sheep
Following up with the OP, here is some more food for thought regarding 2010 (the ones who made the squad are in bold).
The actual squad (the ones who didn't start qualifying are in bold):
Forwards
• Jozy Altidore, Villareal (Spain) (pictured)
• Edson Buddle, Los Angeles Galaxy
• Robbie Findley, Real Salt Lake
• Herculez Gomez, Pachuca (Mexico)
Midfielders
• DaMarcus Beasley, Rangers (Scotland)
• Michael Bradley, Moenchengladbach (Germany)
• Ricardo Clark, Frankfurt (Germany)
• Clint Dempsey, Fulham (England)
• Landon Donovan, Los Angeles Galaxy
• Maurice Edu, Rangers (Scotland)
• Benny Feilhaber, Aarhus (Denmark)
• Stuart Holden, Bolton (England)
• Jose Torres, Pachuca (Mexico)
Defenders
• Carlos Bocanegra, Rennes (France) (captain)
• Jonathan Bornstein, Chivas USA
• Steve Cherundolo, Hannover (Germany)
• Jay DeMerit, Watford (England)
• Clarence Goodson, IK Start (Norway)
• Oguchi Onyewu, AC Milan (Italy)
• Jonathan Spector, West Ham (England)
Goaltenders
• Brad Guzan, Aston Villa (England)
• Marcus Hahnemann, Wolverhampton (England)
• Tim Howard, Everton (England)
So it looks like we added ALL OF OUR FORWARDS and a few starters in defense and some good subs in midfield AFTER we started qualifying.
Here is even more food for thought: A 2010 WC Roster Prediction from late 2007
They got all of the "sure things" correct and most of the "safe bets." The safe bets who didn't make the squad in the end were Bobby Convey, Frank Simek, Eddie Johnson, and Freddy Adu. The first two missing the squad can be attributed to injuries seriously impeding their careers, while the latter two dealt with unsettled club situations.
None of the people who were thought to be "battling" for spots on the team actually made the squad except for Hahnemann.
quote:
1 - Matt Reis
2 - Frankie Hejduk
3 - Carlos Bocanegra
4 - Pablo Mastroeni
5 - Oguchi Onyewu
6 - Steve Cherundolo
7 - Eddie Lewis
8 - Clint Dempsey
9 - Eddie Johnson
10 - Landon Donovan
11 - Brian Ching
12 - Michael Bradley
13 - Maurice Edu
14 - Danny Califf
15 - Heath Pearce
16 - Freddy Adu
17 - DaMarcus Beasley
18 - Brad Guzan
The actual squad (the ones who didn't start qualifying are in bold):
Forwards
• Jozy Altidore, Villareal (Spain) (pictured)
• Edson Buddle, Los Angeles Galaxy
• Robbie Findley, Real Salt Lake
• Herculez Gomez, Pachuca (Mexico)
Midfielders
• DaMarcus Beasley, Rangers (Scotland)
• Michael Bradley, Moenchengladbach (Germany)
• Ricardo Clark, Frankfurt (Germany)
• Clint Dempsey, Fulham (England)
• Landon Donovan, Los Angeles Galaxy
• Maurice Edu, Rangers (Scotland)
• Benny Feilhaber, Aarhus (Denmark)
• Stuart Holden, Bolton (England)
• Jose Torres, Pachuca (Mexico)
Defenders
• Carlos Bocanegra, Rennes (France) (captain)
• Jonathan Bornstein, Chivas USA
• Steve Cherundolo, Hannover (Germany)
• Jay DeMerit, Watford (England)
• Clarence Goodson, IK Start (Norway)
• Oguchi Onyewu, AC Milan (Italy)
• Jonathan Spector, West Ham (England)
Goaltenders
• Brad Guzan, Aston Villa (England)
• Marcus Hahnemann, Wolverhampton (England)
• Tim Howard, Everton (England)
So it looks like we added ALL OF OUR FORWARDS and a few starters in defense and some good subs in midfield AFTER we started qualifying.
Here is even more food for thought: A 2010 WC Roster Prediction from late 2007
They got all of the "sure things" correct and most of the "safe bets." The safe bets who didn't make the squad in the end were Bobby Convey, Frank Simek, Eddie Johnson, and Freddy Adu. The first two missing the squad can be attributed to injuries seriously impeding their careers, while the latter two dealt with unsettled club situations.
None of the people who were thought to be "battling" for spots on the team actually made the squad except for Hahnemann.
Posted on 6/4/12 at 4:50 pm to Sheep
Sheep, you have to remember that with the rise of the USMNT, this will be the most heavily scrutinized and watched WC cycle in US history...people(not the frequent posters of this board) dont understand that its a marathon
Posted on 6/4/12 at 9:43 pm to Sheep
I just deleted that entire post.
I was just looking at the first 2010 World Cup Qualifying game and I think for the most part. You had a lot of awesome players coming up for the US and you had a feeling that'd they'd start just because they'd be in their mature/prime age. Bocanegra, Donovan, Dempsey, Howard, Onyewu, Cherundolo, etc.
This year. . it's going to be tough to pick out our roster because Dempsey, Goodson, Howard(doesn't really count), Donovan, Cherundolo, Onyewu, are all going to be borderline too old. Everyone knew that Maestroni, Eddie Lewis, Hejduk. Probably wouldn't make the cut in 2010.
Our core group right now has a shite ton of caps. It's changing of the old guard this WC Qualifying period. It's going to be tough for Klinsmann. IMO.
I'm not sure if these guys will make the WC:
Dempsey, Donovan, Boca, Cherundolo, Onyewu, Howard, Gomez, Buddle, Jones, Beckerman
These guys will have to step up:
Gonzalez, Ream, Gatt, Cameron, Boyd, Altidore, Adu, Edu, Holden, Johnson, Williams, Kitchens, Bojev, Pelosi, Bradley, Corona, Castillo, Bunbury, Agudelo, Shea and Lichaj.
I was just looking at the first 2010 World Cup Qualifying game and I think for the most part. You had a lot of awesome players coming up for the US and you had a feeling that'd they'd start just because they'd be in their mature/prime age. Bocanegra, Donovan, Dempsey, Howard, Onyewu, Cherundolo, etc.
This year. . it's going to be tough to pick out our roster because Dempsey, Goodson, Howard(doesn't really count), Donovan, Cherundolo, Onyewu, are all going to be borderline too old. Everyone knew that Maestroni, Eddie Lewis, Hejduk. Probably wouldn't make the cut in 2010.
Our core group right now has a shite ton of caps. It's changing of the old guard this WC Qualifying period. It's going to be tough for Klinsmann. IMO.
I'm not sure if these guys will make the WC:
Dempsey, Donovan, Boca, Cherundolo, Onyewu, Howard, Gomez, Buddle, Jones, Beckerman
These guys will have to step up:
Gonzalez, Ream, Gatt, Cameron, Boyd, Altidore, Adu, Edu, Holden, Johnson, Williams, Kitchens, Bojev, Pelosi, Bradley, Corona, Castillo, Bunbury, Agudelo, Shea and Lichaj.
This post was edited on 6/4/12 at 10:23 pm
Posted on 6/4/12 at 10:28 pm to UASports23
Speaking of young players. US U-18 player Russell Canouse...Just signed his first pro contract with Hoffenheim. He came up through their reserves.
He was player of the year in their reserve system.
He was player of the year in their reserve system.
This post was edited on 6/4/12 at 10:29 pm
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