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re: Yuge case before SCOTUS that could rein in the EPA and other fed agencies
Posted on 3/30/24 at 9:21 pm to Datbawwwww
Posted on 3/30/24 at 9:21 pm to Datbawwwww
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So you are saying that tradition and normality are your concern?
You responded to a post that contained no mention of my concerns.
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Posted on 3/31/24 at 6:30 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:The precedent is that the SCOTUS allows bad laws to fester for decades when they should have been addressed years ago. Roe was wrong when ruled upon the 1st time and now 50 years later, it's a major issue when it belonged at the state level 50 years ago. It would have been worked out by state preference 48-50 years ago if every SCOTUS for the last 50 years wasn't chicken shite. The Chevron deal has been going on for over 40. Surely you don't think agencies are vested with making laws. That lies solely with Congress and this should have been fixed many, many years ago. It's hard to undo "wrongs" that have gone on for that long. Apparently, this SCOTUS has the balls to do just that.
Well the issue is precedent. With the Roe reversal and now Chevron possibly being reversed, the issue/worry is that precedent has no value anymore. But that raises the question of how to change bad USSC rulings.
Posted on 3/31/24 at 7:01 am to Diamondawg
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. The Chevron deal has been going on for over 40. Surely you don't think agencies are vested with making laws.
a. I have always been a huge opponent of Chevron
b. Agencies will always have some leeway to "make" laws. Chevron isn't even totally about that. Chevron is about their ability to define things, and, more importantly, courts' authority to oversee/judge the definition.
But, both of those things are irrelevant to what you replied to. For 40 years, Congress has been passing laws to fit Chevron. Pull that rug out and we have a nearly impossible mess of evaluating every agency definition over 40 years. And, courts aren't supposed to "make law" either, but they will have to now.
Posted on 3/31/24 at 8:26 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Good. Just the latest two that I can remember. How about Biden's DOT changing the way 18 wheelers are made and diesel restrictions to address the "climate change" hoax? How about the DOL changing the definition of independent contractor to serve more as an employee? It will have an effect on pretty much every business in the country and what you want to bet the federal government contractors are exempt because there is no way the agencies could increase their employed staff by that number. I have seen numbers in the millions of contractors that work solely for the federal government.
Pull that rug out and we have a nearly impossible mess
Neither of those are agency level decisions but our pansy arse republican uni-party is too fractured to challenge it. There are hundreds and thousands of these things that change our lives daily that are done by non-elected individuals. It has to change and if an impossible mess is the answer, bring that shite on.
Posted on 3/31/24 at 8:28 am to Diamondawg
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There are hundreds and thousands of these things that change our lives daily that are done by non-elected individuals. It has to change
Again, the problem is that you're just shifting this decision-making to non-elected judges.
Posted on 3/31/24 at 8:55 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Good - and they should send it back to congress. You would rather have an agency re-define almost every independent contactor in America by a biased agency (it's all about falling prey to labor unions - but you knew that) than a biased Congress? Elected congress should be forced to do their jobs. It might turn out to be just as bad in the end but at least "we the people" elected the arse hats making the rules (laws).
Again, the problem is that you're just shifting this decision-making to non-elected judges.
I think the presidents over step their authority with EOs but again, pansy arse republicans won't challenge them.
It may be too late but this run away train and the alphabet agencies have to be made to do what Congress has gifted them to do and nothing more. Congress might vote to abdicate their entire responsibilities to these agencies but then we can un-elect their dumb assess. Blow the son of a bitch up at this point and just start over.
Posted on 3/31/24 at 9:02 am to Diamondawg
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You would rather have an agency re-define almost every independent contactor in America by a biased agency (it's all about falling prey to labor unions - but you knew that) than a biased Congress?
Why do you keep trying to interject some version of my personal opinion into your arguments?
Posted on 3/31/24 at 1:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Sorry for the delay. Been to Church and had family Easter lunch. But, I'm interjecting my personal opinions into my arguments how could I leave yours out? Isn't that how this place works?
Why do you keep trying to interject some version of my personal opinion into your arguments?
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