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re: WTF--House votes 419-3 on new Russia sanctions bill???

Posted on 7/25/17 at 9:46 pm to
Posted by JuiceTerry
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 9:46 pm to
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And all anyone wants to talk about is the hack. Not everything that it unveiled.
Funny how that works when you like the content of the leaks. Not so much the other way around.
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 9:51 pm to
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Funny how that works when you like the content of the leaks. Not so much the other way around.



I guarantee you these people praise Snowden and curse the Russian Hackers in the same breath
Posted by bonhoeffer45
Member since Jul 2016
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 9:52 pm to
Ah yes, the old politics over country argument.

Thomas Jefferson and George Washington would certainly love your stance. Right after they put down their copies of Edward Gibbons Fall of the Roman Empire that was so influential during that period on all of them. Giving them grave concern about the corrupting influence of foreign powers on representative government.

I'm sure welcoming and appeasing hostile foreign powers to actively attempt to propagandize our citizens by taking selective and strategic measures to influence our democratic process is exactly what they had in mind.

Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80187 posts
Posted on 7/25/17 at 9:55 pm to
The scary part is I can't tell if you're a liberal trolling as a Trump supporter or a bone fide MAGA Trump supporter
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 9:56 pm to
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the corrupting influence of foreign powers on representative government.


Exactly what are rough referring to when you say "corrupting influence"?

They didn't spread fake propaganda or rig election machines or change votes. That is what I would call dangerous corrupting influence.
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
28719 posts
Posted on 7/25/17 at 9:57 pm to
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On top of that you have London IC and German IC, in corroboration with London and German security experts, identifying identical malware markers that were present in Germany's own cyber attacks on parliament in 2015. Malware attacks that they as well(in fact very definitively) linked back to Russia.



It's funny how most people around here claim there is no evidence of involvement by Russian hackers.

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One of the strongest pieces of evidence linking GRU to the DNC hack is the equivalent of identical fingerprints found in two burglarized buildings: a reused command-and-control address—(gonna redact this lol but it's in the link)—that was hard coded in a piece of malware found both in the German parliament as well as on the DNC's servers. Russian military intelligence was identified by the German domestic security agency BfV as the actor responsible for the Bundestag breach. The infrastructure behind the fake MIS Department domain was also linked to the Berlin intrusion through at least one other element, a shared SSL certificate.


LINK

Same hardcoded C2 address that likely delivered payloads to the Bundestag and DNC.
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 9:58 pm
Posted by zatetic
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 9:57 pm to
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PLOT TO TAKE OUT TRUMP IS UNDERWAY NOW

Earlier today I posted a new bill that already passed the Senate and is headed for the House. It is basically an open declaration of war on Russia and Iran, that ties the hands of President Trump and makes him a helpless forced accomplice in anything that happens. It appears they are going for a super majority so it cannot be overriden with a veto. Well, I came across a Sorcha report (we all know about Sorcha) but this time, a large portion of it was actually true. I fact checked this, and it is BANG ON. And that has me about ready to need a change of shorts. Take a look at this quote:

From Sorcha, at whatdoesitmean.com (and don't message me scolding me for posting Sorcha, because this is actually accurate:-)

"Following that meeting with President Trump, this report continues, Pastor Howard-Browne, yesterday, revealed to his global congregation that he had spent three hours (from 9:30 in the evening until 12:30am) with a senior ranking member of the US Congress, and whose conversation he described as: "He said there is a plot on Capitol Hill to take the president out, I said you mean by impeachment or by indictment – he said no, to take him out, he will be removed suddenly from office."

Pastor Howard-Browne, this report notes, further revealed that this senior US Congressman had been in office since 1996 and had, also, warned him "there's nothing we can do to stop it" - and whose plot to do so was being planned by the "Deep State" that has been trying to destroy President Trump since the very day he won the presidency.

Of the greatest crime committed by President Trump against his "Deep State" enemies necessitating his "sudden removal", this report details, is his plan to end all illegal US wars of aggression so that he can use the trillions-of-dollars spent on this madness to rebuild his own nation - with one of his own top military leaders, Special Operations Command Chief of the US Army General Raymond Thomas III, acknowledging that American forces are fighting in a sovereign Syria where they will likely have no ability to stay if their presence is questioned in terms of international law, and General Thomas adding: "We're bad day away from Russians asking, Why are you still in Syria?"

As the MoFA reported yesterday too (see our article New US Law To Remove Trump From Power And Declare War On Russia "Will Be Met By Force"), this report notes, President Trump's "Deep State" enemies are just days away from passing a new law that will effectively, and for the first time in American history, remove him from having to power over his own military and foreign policy - and that even the European Union is now warning the Americans that it "will retaliate within days" if this law takes effect.

MY COMMENT: This morning I posted the new bill that would certainly mean war with Russia and castrate Trump by forcing him to be subservient to Congress when I never thought that could be done. The branches are supposed to be separate. Now we have a popular American preacher that says they are going to "take Trump out". The final paragraph of the Sorcha report is also probably true:

" President Trump's only pathway to survival, this report concludes, is if he can rally tens-of-millions of armed American citizens to his defense when this overthrow takes place, as President Recep Erdogan had done during the Obama-CIA 2016 coup d'etat attempt to remove him from power - and that Trump eerily predicted just a year ago, in July 2016, when he cryptically Tweeted: "Looks like a military coup is underway in Turkey. They're taking their country back! Will be the same in the US soon if I'm President!"

My comment:

If this happens, we had damn well better lock and load, because the deep state will then prove that it will not allow a peaceful solution to the problems we voted for Trump to solve. And if you did not read that bill I posted this morning, scroll down and take a look, and at least search the terms I said to search so you can spot read it. It is a devastating bill that probably will be rammed through with a super majority.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 9:59 pm to
And when none of that insane shite happens, will you take a look in the mirror and do some self-reflection as to why you're so gullible to conspiracy theories and always need to be a persecuted victim of some broad, mysterious conspiracy?
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 10:05 pm
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:01 pm to
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If this happens, we had damn well better lock and load, because the deep state will then prove that it will not allow a peaceful solution to the problems we voted for Trump to solve.


This is what I have been saying.

These people are unhinged and grow more desperate by the day. I'm legitimately nervous.
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:03 pm to
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always need to be a persecuted victim. If some broad, mysterious conspiracy?



It's not a broad conspiracy theory.

Most of DC is establishment mouthpieces bought and owned by the same group of lobbyists regardless of what side of the aisle they claim to be on.
Posted by Srbtiger06
Member since Apr 2006
28257 posts
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:03 pm to
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thought it was abundantly clear that we were talking specifically about Russian interference in the US, but I guess you have to explain everything to some people


Thread is about sanctions. Sanctions are in part due to Russia's action in Ukraine.

If you need anymore explanation lemme know.
Posted by bonhoeffer45
Member since Jul 2016
4367 posts
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:24 pm to
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Exactly what are rough referring to when you say "corrupting influence"?

They didn't spread fake propaganda or rig election machines or change votes. That is what I would call dangerous corrupting influence.



They very much did spread fake propaganda:
LINK

LINK

I guess now that that is settled, you will drop this nonsense.
Posted by zatetic
Member since Nov 2015
5677 posts
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:30 pm to
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victim of some broad, mysterious conspiracy?




I don't know what you are talking about, stuff like this?



Italians Say Government Committing ‘Ethnic Replacement’ — Poll
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:31 pm to
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They very much did spread fake propaganda


Almost every quote in those articles is preceeded by "we have to find out if this is true"

And then the only example given is that trolls said things like: ‘Clinton is sick’, or ‘Clinton is taking money from whoever for some source’ … fake news.

That's not fake news. Something was very wrong with Hillary. The Russians didn't make up her health problems and she was receiving plenty of money from foreign sources.

That's not fake news.
Posted by Old Hellen Yeller
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
9415 posts
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:32 pm to
Good. frick Russia and all their supporters here
Posted by Old Hellen Yeller
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
9415 posts
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:32 pm to
Good. frick Russia and all their supporters here
Posted by The_Joker
Winter Park, Fl
Member since Jan 2013
16316 posts
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:41 pm to
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I guess you have to explain everything to some people


Oh the irony
Posted by bonhoeffer45
Member since Jul 2016
4367 posts
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:42 pm to
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Almost every quote in those articles is preceeded by "we have to find out if this is true"

And then the only example given is that trolls said things like: ‘Clinton is sick’, or ‘Clinton is taking money from whoever for some source’ … fake news.

That's not fake news. Something was very wrong with Hillary. The Russians didn't make up her health problems and she was receiving plenty of money from foreign sources.

That's not fake news.

Ah yes, advice from the person that fell for Parkinson's-gate and is excusing anti-American actions lecturing others on how to discern real from fake news in the face of an actual participant in said actions he is denying happened.
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 10:44 pm
Posted by Breesus
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Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:44 pm to
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the person that fell for Parkinson's-gate


How do you explain the video of her fainting and then being thrown headfirst into a van?

The Russians made that up?
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 10:45 pm
Posted by bonhoeffer45
Member since Jul 2016
4367 posts
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:03 pm to
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How do you explain the video of her fainting and then being thrown headfirst into a van?

The Russians made that up?




I know what I don't do, which is jump to the conclusions Breit Bart and Infowars attempt to feed me by an incident that has countless potential causations. Not just the one that is conveniently the most politically advantageous for a Trumpkin.

Sort of like the position to deny the consensus and the words of people that actually participated in the things you say didn't occur.


But again, go ahead and tell me how much our founders would of appreciated it if Britain's crown attempted to steal private documents from John Adams or Jefferson with a strategy to disseminate it in a calculating way to undermine our Democratic election and government to their benefit.
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