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re: WSJ just out with a new story on cuomo. Aides altered a public report on nursing homes

Posted on 3/5/21 at 12:07 am to
Posted by Syntax
FL390
Member since Aug 2020
964 posts
Posted on 3/5/21 at 12:07 am to
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IMO, this was the actual stealing of the election. I think all the vote counting conspiracy shite is crazy. But the vast under and mis reporting of the virus and of the "protests" amounted to a conpiratorial effort to influence the election - and it worked.

Literally, this a-hole Cuomo was uncritically allowed to do victory laps over his great covid behavior - only to find out he is worse than anything Trump was every accused of.


Posted by AmosMosesAndTwins
Lake Charles
Member since Apr 2010
17886 posts
Posted on 3/5/21 at 8:38 am to
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How about a fricking hospital, isolated from non infected patients, you idiot?

fricking nursing homes are simply not equipped or staffed to handle people with infectious diseases. You know where they send their patients who have infectious diseases? The damn hospital.


So your solution for positives at a time we were worried about hospitals being overrun is to put them in hospitals? Brilliant.

Not every positive case requires hospitalization. The fundamental functions of hospitals revolve around treatment, not as quarantine space. The argument for ships as serving this purpose is justifiable, but LTC facilities are a more feasible alternative.

A lot has been made about the access to normal preventative and acute medical care for non-Covid patients. It’s contradictory to suggest hospitals as the go-to for placement for all positives versus LTC, as it further hampers that access. SNFs in particular have the system for infectious disease care and it’s something LTC deals with every year with norovirus, flu, C diff, etc.The prevalence of positive cases, and what to do with them, would overwhelm any system. If all positives were hospitalized as you suggest, you’d have a problem with how that was handled too I’m sure. Cuomo, any decision maker really, is damned if they do, damned if they don’t.

Simply offering an alternative perspective here. There are far too many clueless people positing uninformed and flawed shoulda couldas in hindsight, myself included. We simply weren’t, aren’t, and won’t be prepared as a healthcare system to respond to an event of this magnitude. The methods for reducing transmission are there, with masks, vaccine, and adaptive normal daily life, but our population is too ignorant and too selfish to contribute to the highest potential for effectiveness. You’re entitled to disagree, this is collaborative, but I see your view as just as flawed as you see mine.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111513 posts
Posted on 3/5/21 at 9:22 am to
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SNFs in particular have the system for infectious disease care and it’s something LTC deals with every year with norovirus, flu, C diff, etc.


Here’s a fella who hasn’t read the tags from his local nursing homes in the area of infection control.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
140380 posts
Posted on 3/5/21 at 9:30 am to
Republican


Staunchly
Posted by Leotiger725
Member since Jan 2021
803 posts
Posted on 3/5/21 at 9:31 am to
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If you think Cuomo benefits politically from the under(inaccurate)-reporting of SNF deaths when deaths are still a state metric, and that Cuomo benefits politically from an inflated death count in general public (vs. at SNF), then I don’t know what to tell you.


Then what motive do his aides have to manipulate the data?
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/5/21 at 10:17 am to
You will notice he is studiously avoiding addressing the elephant in the room.

There’s an easy obvious answer.

If the true death toll as a result of nursing home infections was known, it would have highlighted the issues with Cuomo’s mandate of nursing homes taking Covid positive patients. That mandate was further damaging by not even allowing nursing homes to require a coronavirus test result before admitting the patient to their facility, meaning some patients were admitted to NHs without the facility even being aware they were positive.

Moreover, during the early days of the pandemic, many facilities didn’t have the necessary PPE to adequately care for the positive patients they knew they had. Lack of PPE wasn’t a valid reason to deny admittance.

It was a giant cluster of policy and stupidly.
Posted by Chet Donnely
Member since Sep 2015
1537 posts
Posted on 3/5/21 at 10:28 am to
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I don’t know what to tell you


This is all you should have said. Nothing else in that long arse response was worth the time it took you to type it.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
65070 posts
Posted on 3/5/21 at 10:34 am to
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There are far too many clueless people positing uninformed and flawed shoulda couldas in hindsight, myself included.


The administrations of these nursing homes were begging Cuomo not to stick the sick in the nursing homes because they knew it would kill off the elderly patients in these assisted living facilities. This isn't a "shoulda coulda woulda" scenario we are talking about here. This was a decision that was criticized by people who matter in real-time as it happened. FEMA had temporary hospitals cropping up all over New York City to assist with overflow. The President of the United States had a U.S. Hospital Ship get underway at a moment's notice and dock in New York Harbor for the expressed purpose of treating Covid patients. The FEMA hospitals and naval vessels remained empty while the overflows were sent to nursing homes instead.

And when Cuomo realized he had effed up big time, he decided to lie about it and cover up the true number of people killed because he didn't want to give Republicans or Trump any ammunition to use against Democrats in November. The man needs to be prosecuted for criminal conspiracy and negligent homicide.
This post was edited on 3/5/21 at 10:37 am
Posted by Chet Donnely
Member since Sep 2015
1537 posts
Posted on 3/5/21 at 10:37 am to
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So your solution for positives at a time we were worried about hospitals being overrun is to put them in hospitals? Brilliant


You just outed yourself as knowing nothing about the situation you're "teaching" us all about. There was a navy hospital ship brought to New York for this purpose. It wasn't used. There were temporary hospitals built in New York City for this purpose. More than one. They essentially went unused. So yeah, it would have been a brilliant idea to send positive testing patients to hospitals instead of directing other facilities that they COULD NOT test patients and COULD NOT refuse positive testing patients.

You're not very bright, and it appears if you have any real experience it hasn't taught you shite.
Posted by stampman
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
4919 posts
Posted on 3/5/21 at 10:42 am to
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as I have direct real world experience with how and why these things happen the way they do.


Posted by stampman
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
4919 posts
Posted on 3/5/21 at 10:46 am to
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Literally, this a-hole Cuomo was uncritically allowed to do victory laps over his great covid behavior - only to find out he is worse than anything Trump was every accused of.



Chicken...you need to investigate who stole Big Scrub TX's ID.
Posted by SOKAL
Member since May 2018
4124 posts
Posted on 3/5/21 at 11:25 am to
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So your solution for positives at a time we were worried about hospitals being overrun is to put them in hospitals? Brilliant.



I stopped reading there because you are a dumbass. The hospitals were not overflowing. Remember the hospital ship that went unused? Or, the emergency hospitals that sat empty?

If you are worried about hospitals overflowing you don't place infected patients with the most vulnerable population.
Posted by LA KNIGHT
Member since Mar 2021
102 posts
Posted on 3/5/21 at 11:43 am to
One crime that he could be hit with is fraud because his state received all the cash from the government because of their high death rates. He should be in jail
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