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re: WSJ: Iraq Becomes Battleground for U.S. Forces Once Again
Posted on 3/9/26 at 12:04 am to crazy4lsu
Posted on 3/9/26 at 12:04 am to crazy4lsu
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Again, these militias did not always exist. And now they do. And we are fighting them for more than 20 years now. There is no Hadith that can explain away this pointless exercise.
When we were in Iraq, these militias fled to Iran for protection.
Now that we are in Iran and Iraqi borders are not giving them protection, they become part of the whackamole strategy.
Pop your head up and identify yourself? Now you have nowhere to hide. We will let you lead us right to your infrastructure and resources and then unleash hell.
This war is different when the surrounding Middle East countries are not demanding shelter for these pop-up skirmishes.
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Posted on 3/9/26 at 12:06 am to Rip N Lip
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And no one gave a shite after the Crusades, until OIL
That is a terrible understanding of history man. The Eastern Mediterranean and the Levant has been contentious for centuries. That isn't instructive for this particular moment, unfortunately, given that one, we have a long-established history with Shia militias, and two, they are a direct reason why the US adventure in Iraq is largely considered a failure. I guess we will have to be fighting these dudes until the 2050's and also pretend at the same time we can bomb them into submission.
Posted on 3/9/26 at 12:08 am to meansonny
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Now that we are in Iran and Iraqi borders are not giving them protection, they become part of the whackamole strategy.
Bro, the PMF have been integrated into the Iraqi Armed Forces. The terrain favors the exact strategy they want to employ.
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This war is different when the surrounding Middle East countries are not demanding shelter for these pop-up skirmishes.
It's very early yet. It's hard to say this war is 'different' in any character if the commitment is to keep boots off the ground.
Posted on 3/9/26 at 12:12 am to crazy4lsu
The Shia. Tell me more about this schism.
Maybe then tell me how a small cabal of wahhabis create all the “infighting” amongst the Sunni, Shia, and the rest of the world.
I’ll hang up and listen since you think you are talking to Jethro from Jimtown. Salute!
Maybe then tell me how a small cabal of wahhabis create all the “infighting” amongst the Sunni, Shia, and the rest of the world.
I’ll hang up and listen since you think you are talking to Jethro from Jimtown. Salute!
Posted on 3/9/26 at 12:19 am to Rip N Lip
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The Shia. Tell me more about this schism.
Several sects. Ismaili's were probably the most predominant until the Safavids converted their empire to Twelver Shia. In terms of jurisprudence, the most hierarchical and coherent among Muslim groups.
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Maybe then tell me how a small cabal of wahhabis create all the “infighting” amongst the Sunni, Shia, and the rest of the world.
Who said this? The origins of the targeting of Shia Muslims came in the context of a larger Turco-Persian rivalry, with most of the targeting coming in South Asia after the conversion of the Safavids. The Hanbali school was much smaller and limited to the Gulf until the 20th century or so, representing the general trend of sidelining Arabs from the more dominant Turco-Persian culture that dominated the Islamic world after the Iranian Intermezzo.
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I’ll hang up and listen since you think you are talking to Jethro from Jimtown. Salute!
Sure thing.
Posted on 3/9/26 at 12:20 am to RollingwiththeTide
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ounding these proxy groups of Iran and degrading them as much as possible is just as much in the plan as pounding the Regime of Iran itself. Killing as many fighters as possible while blowing up all those rockets and drones they have stored up will limit the amount of trouble they can cause in the future. Just the simple act of making them shoot that stuff makes them weaker because they will not be able to replace it in the future. At some point look for the Houthies to start getting pounded also.
There are hundreds of thousands of these people in Iraq.
I know that because I fought against them (and in some cases, with them) there. We will degrade them exactly zero without going house to house, neighborhood to neighborhood like we did from '04 - '11 over and over again and sacrificing thousands of American lives.
They also were our allies, in a manner of speaking (our SF and other special ops fought alongside with them), during the assaults on the Islamic State from 2013 - 2018 or so in central and northern Iraq. How do you square that?
Posted on 3/9/26 at 12:23 am to crazy4lsu
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Bro, the PMF have been integrated into the Iraqi Armed Forces. The terrain favors the exact strategy they want to employ.
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It's very early yet. It's hard to say this war is 'different' in any character if the commitment is to keep boots off the ground.
Bookmark this.
I can't predict the future any better than the next schlup on this board.
But it is impossible for a militia to attack without "surfacing" or exposing itself.
With many previous wars (Vietnam, Iraq, Afganistan), rules of engagement haven't permitted a pursue and destroy strategy.
If im wrong, bump this and I will admit that im wrong.
But I don't expect safe haven for these pop-up militias.
Posted on 3/9/26 at 12:23 am to crazy4lsu
So we agree no one gave a shite until OIL
Posted on 3/9/26 at 12:25 am to Rip N Lip
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Buddy, they’ve been trying to work out all that for decades. And still those militias fight. You obviously haven’t been paying attention for the last two decades.
Most folks raised in the USA and Western Europe will never understand islam. That’s a good thing.
Sure, I don't disagree. I am confident I have a better grasp on the type of Islam practiced in that part of the world than virtually everyone else on this board. Should we get into the millenarian practices of Twelver types who have held power in Iran for the last half century?
So why the frick are we there? Trying to force regime change again from the air? Which will not work in mine or your lifetimes. The IRGC and Basij have very intentionally decentralized their command structure as they knew this would be an eventuality for them. They will not relinquish power and will tens of thousands die (yet again) if anyone tries to poke their head up above the rubble to take back governance. So what then?
This post was edited on 3/9/26 at 12:30 am
Posted on 3/9/26 at 12:25 am to meansonny
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With many previous wars (Vietnam, Iraq, Afganistan), rules of engagement haven't permitted a pursue and destroy strategy.
I fail to see how we can achieve this without boots on the ground. That is the point of difference, it would appear.
Posted on 3/9/26 at 12:26 am to AbuTheMonkey
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I am confident I have a better grasp on the type of Islam practiced in that part of the world than virtually everyone else on this board
We gonna make this board like those old Syrian Civil War discussion threads in 2017.
Posted on 3/9/26 at 12:28 am to crazy4lsu
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I fail to see how we can achieve this without boots on the ground. That is the point of difference, it would appear
I think you underestimate the reaction response from air.
Air support wasn't permitted to operate in Cambodia during Vietnam.
Air support wasn't permitted to operate in Iran during the Iraqi operations.
Bump this when our military complains about ROE limiting our ability to grab victory.
Posted on 3/9/26 at 12:29 am to AbuTheMonkey
The goal is to defang them like the Regime in Iran is being defanged. What I mean is they want to kill as many as they can from the air. Find and destroy as many of the heavy rockets and drones they have stored. Plus the more they shoot and use is depleting the stockpiles. Once these things are gone they will not be replenished and will not be able to launch them at civilian populations across the region.
Posted on 3/9/26 at 12:32 am to meansonny
Yeah, again, I fail to see how air support alone is going to dislodge several Shia militias or keep them from operating by itself. Let alone how it’s going to actually cause regime change in Iran.
What is more likely is that we try air support alone, it doesn’t work, and we are back having this conversation in 2036 just like we had this conversation in 2016 and 2026.
What is more likely is that we try air support alone, it doesn’t work, and we are back having this conversation in 2036 just like we had this conversation in 2016 and 2026.
Posted on 3/9/26 at 12:37 am to RollingwiththeTide
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The goal is to defang them like the Regime in Iran is being defanged. What I mean is they want to kill as many as they can from the air. Find and destroy as many of the heavy rockets and drones they have stored. Plus the more they shoot and use is depleting the stockpiles. Once these things are gone they will not be replenished and will not be able to launch them at civilian populations across the region.
Weapons systems are pretty easily replenished, and furthermore, showing our boldest hand is going to teach them lessons they will not soon forget.
We will never kill off their will to fight and control their country from the air, and they will bounce back probably more quickly than anyone can imagine. I have been impressed by the lethality and joint force capability we've demonstrated over the last two weeks. It will mean all for shite when the same regime holds power at all levels again by the summer. Trump will cut bait in a month or two because he doesn't have the guts to stick with this as energy prices skyrocket and markets tank, and we will leave the sane Iranians in a lark yet again.
They will rearm. So what then?
Posted on 3/9/26 at 12:42 am to crazy4lsu
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Yeah, again, I fail to see how air support alone is going to dislodge several Shia militias or keep them from operating by itself. Let alone how it’s going to actually cause regime change in Iran.
What the frick does chasing militias have to do with regime change.
It's been 30 minutes and you are already moving the goalposts. Lol
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2016 and 2026.
I must have missed something in 2016.
Posted on 3/9/26 at 12:44 am to meansonny
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What the frick does chasing militias have to do with regime change.
As in, boots on the ground are required for what we claim to want.
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I must have missed something in 2016.
Yes, that these groups all fought in the SCW and against the Islamic State.
Posted on 3/9/26 at 12:52 am to AbuTheMonkey
If they rearm it won’t be anytime soon and it will take someone other than Iran to do it. Iran will not have an industry to make all the things needed to keep these proxies armed to the teeth with the rockets and drones they use to shoot into Israel.
Don’t discount too the loss of all the money and financial support that Iran gave these people to pay all those jihadist. If the U.S. and Israel can destroy or make them use as many of these heavy weapons as possible then terrorism will be set back quite a long time. The threat will never be 0 but it will be set back.
Don’t discount too the loss of all the money and financial support that Iran gave these people to pay all those jihadist. If the U.S. and Israel can destroy or make them use as many of these heavy weapons as possible then terrorism will be set back quite a long time. The threat will never be 0 but it will be set back.
Posted on 3/9/26 at 12:59 am to crazy4lsu
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That’s instructive in ways people don’t care to realize.
They will never realize it
Posted on 3/9/26 at 1:03 am to The Baker
Yeah, you right. Instead they will invoke the Crusades like they know anything about that. It’s insane that we learned so much in these last 20 years and will just decide to disregard it based on the assurance that ‘this time will be different.’
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