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re: Would Nixon have survived Watergate if they just confessed on day one?
Posted on 1/7/17 at 10:30 am to Gulf Coast Tiger
Posted on 1/7/17 at 10:30 am to Gulf Coast Tiger
Has it ever been noted why he did this? He was leading in the polls by 20%+ in almost every state. It was a wipeout election.
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Posted on 1/7/17 at 11:04 am to tiderider
The so called dirty tricks or "rat phucking" as it was called by those people during Nixons administration was absolute child's play compared to what the dems do now. It's like t ball compared to the major leagues. Hillarys people are the major freaking leagues of campaign dirty tricks.
Posted on 1/7/17 at 11:23 am to rpg37
Nixon had a big distrust of the media and the dems. JFK had been helped by the mob in 1960 to deliver Illinois and thus Nixon felt he was robbed . His paranoia which was somewhat justified began to run his political life . His " I am not taking any chances " approach eventually cost him everything
Posted on 1/7/17 at 11:52 am to Heyes
yeah, nixon had a few reasons not to trust the media and the dems, though his lead in the polls should've been enough to convince him to lay off ... in '60, one of jfk's talking points was the US was behind the russians in the number of nukes ... kruschev would tell the party officials the russians were ahead and jfk would repeat that, knowing full well that kruschev knew the russians were not ahead ... and eisenhower knew what kruschev knew, but felt he needed to let him lie to the party to contain the arms race ... ike wouldn't let nixon correct that information to the public ... jfk wasn't supposed to use that, but he did sometimes ...
Posted on 1/7/17 at 1:15 pm to rpg37
Yes and had he fired Mitchell first day he would have added to his lead.
He did not know of the break in until after the fact. The whole controversy was over his coverup after he found out.
He did not know of the break in until after the fact. The whole controversy was over his coverup after he found out.
This post was edited on 1/7/17 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 1/7/17 at 1:16 pm to rpg37
No. The press hated Nixon long before Watergate. They started hating him two weeks after he was born.
The press had much more sway over public opinion back then because there was no alternative media.
The whole idea of the break in was not Nixon's. G. Gordon Liddy explains in his book that the idea came from John Dean's wife's friend. Mrs. Dean had been a high dollar DC prostitute. She was contacted by one of her old friends still working as one. The friend said they had been getting business from higher ups in the Dem campaign headquarters.
The bug was supposed to catch a McGovern aid hiring a Ho.
BTW, when Mrs. Dean was young she was worth the money.
The press had much more sway over public opinion back then because there was no alternative media.
The whole idea of the break in was not Nixon's. G. Gordon Liddy explains in his book that the idea came from John Dean's wife's friend. Mrs. Dean had been a high dollar DC prostitute. She was contacted by one of her old friends still working as one. The friend said they had been getting business from higher ups in the Dem campaign headquarters.
The bug was supposed to catch a McGovern aid hiring a Ho.
BTW, when Mrs. Dean was young she was worth the money.
Posted on 1/7/17 at 1:21 pm to Zach
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when Mrs. Dean was young she was worth the money.
she was way hot during the official uproar. She dressed and did her hair like Portia DeRossi's character in Ally McBeal. Brilliant.
Mrs Dean preceded DeRossi. Its a "look".
This post was edited on 1/7/17 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 1/7/17 at 2:26 pm to CelticDog
So, Nixon leads by 20% in the polls and wanted to catch McGovern hiring hoes?
Posted on 1/7/17 at 2:30 pm to rpg37
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So, Nixon leads by 20% in the polls and wanted to catch McGovern hiring hoes?
No. Nixon knew nothing about the plan. He did the coverup after it happened. BTW, when Liddy published the story about Dean's wife, the Ho, John Dean threatened to sue. Liddy's response was 'see you in court.' Dean backed down.
Posted on 1/7/17 at 2:31 pm to rpg37
While there was a culture of paranoia and payback perpetuated by Ehrlichman and Haldeman (look them up) in the Nixon White House, I think Nixon was unaware of the burglary of the Democratic National Committee headquarters (what started Watergate) and did not get directly involved until he started to manipulate the FBI and Attorney General's office to cover things up... like Hussein is doing right now with "Russia."
Posted on 1/7/17 at 2:32 pm to Zach
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No. Nixon knew nothing about the plan. He did the coverup after it happened.
It just seems to me this was an awful decision. He had already won re-election. Just go full steam with the truth and avoid all this. Take the hit and move on. If he does this, no way he is forced to resign. He was very popular.
Posted on 1/7/17 at 2:36 pm to rpg37
Correct.
The actual Watergate break in and second break in to correct the bugs (when they got caught) is pretty amazing stuff. If was very amateurish.
One of my favorite quotes was from the chief investigator. He did a tour of the Dem offices with a Dem official and entered one office that was in total dissaray.
Investigator: Well, this office was certainly ransacked. Someone was looking for documents.
Dem official: No sir. This is pretty much the way this office always looks.
The actual Watergate break in and second break in to correct the bugs (when they got caught) is pretty amazing stuff. If was very amateurish.
One of my favorite quotes was from the chief investigator. He did a tour of the Dem offices with a Dem official and entered one office that was in total dissaray.
Investigator: Well, this office was certainly ransacked. Someone was looking for documents.
Dem official: No sir. This is pretty much the way this office always looks.
Posted on 1/7/17 at 2:39 pm to Zach
I think history has shown that they were looking for documents that the Democrats might have about the $100,000 cash payoff from Howard Hughes to Nixon's brother, Donald.
Posted on 1/7/17 at 2:42 pm to texashorn
No. It was phone bugs. The original break in and the second. The guys who went to prison for the break in were Cubans. Liddy went to prison for his part in the planning and refusing to cop a plea incriminating Nixon.
Posted on 1/7/17 at 2:59 pm to Zach
nixon didn't know about the breakin, but he knew the underlings were operating in very sketchy ways ...
Posted on 1/7/17 at 3:01 pm to rpg37
Only if nobody dug any further. Nixon was a paranoid MFer and there was a lot of dirty shite beyond the breakin.
Posted on 1/7/17 at 3:17 pm to tiderider
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nixon didn't know about the breakin, but he knew the underlings were operating in very sketchy ways ...
And Obama didn't know about the IRS targeting conservative groups?
Posted on 1/7/17 at 3:54 pm to Zach
Some of those underlings went back to the days when what would ultimately be the ill-fated Bay of Pigs operation was being planned during Ike's administration. Ike distanced himself publicly, but let Nixon do his dirty work. In the process of that Nixon accumulated a few more enemies. A couple of the "Plumbers" went way back with Nixon on some shite, and he really did not want that getting out before the election to his second term. He was probably one of the most intelligent individuals to ever hold the office of the President. However, he also had a somewhat paranoid personality, was quite introverted, OCD, and lacked a healthy attachment in his early childhood years due to his parents also being dysfunctional. It made him who he was, and compared to his predecessor, LBJ, he was pretty damned good, but sadly just as dysfunctional although in different ways.
Posted on 1/7/17 at 4:13 pm to damnedoldtigah
I agree with your post.
Nixon was never a favorite of mine since I was a Goldwater fan and Nixon was no conservative. But he was vastly superior to McGovern.
I really didn't care about the Eagleton issue. I've never known anyone who voted on the vice president.
Nixon was never a favorite of mine since I was a Goldwater fan and Nixon was no conservative. But he was vastly superior to McGovern.
I really didn't care about the Eagleton issue. I've never known anyone who voted on the vice president.
Posted on 1/7/17 at 4:43 pm to Zach
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quote: nixon didn't know about the breakin, but he knew the underlings were operating in very sketchy ways ...
And Obama didn't know about the IRS targeting conservative groups?
?? ... op's question is about Nixon ...
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